Intel's 18A production starts before TSMC’s competing N2 tech — here's how the two process nodes compare

Panther Lake
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Intel has started volume production of its Core Ultra 3-series 'Panther Lake' processors, the company said on Thursday. Intel's Panther Lake is a crucial CPU for the company, designed to demonstrate Intel's ability to develop a competitive processor and produce it internally using its leading-edge manufacturing technology. This is intended to enhance the company's reputation among clients, the general public, and potential foundry customers.

While the official start of 18A production is a win for the company, as it is technically the first with a 2nm-class node in production, it still faces a potent foe in TSMC — the new node merely represents catching up rather than taking the lead. Here's how the two nodes stack up.

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Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.

  • JamesJones44
    I know people hate Intel, but I honestly hope Intel's 18A and Samsungs 2NM nodes can compete with TSMCs N2 process. Having one chip manufacture for everything leading edge will just lead to higher prices for products. Having truly competitive competitors should help keep prices in check, assuming they can continue to get to and go tit for tat.
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  • JRStern
    "compared to yields in the last 15 years"
    LOL
    That's the problem - yields have stunk since multi-mask DUV and that's going on ten years at least, maybe 15.
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  • JRStern
    >D0
    But the front side of the chip isn't transistors at all where it has power conductors.
    And ultimate transistor density may not be a good thing as it causes heat dissipation problems.
    So ... we'll see.
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  • phead128
    JamesJones44 said:
    I know people hate Intel, but I honestly hope Intel's 18A and Samsungs 2NM nodes can compete with TSMCs N2 process. Having one chip manufacture for everything leading edge will just lead to higher prices for products. Having truly competitive competitors should help keep prices in check, assuming they can continue to get to and go tit for tat.
    Why don't people say the same about Nvidia and competition.
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  • JamesJones44
    phead128 said:
    Why don't people say the same about Nvidia and competition.
    I certainly do. I would love to see Intel, AMD and Nvidia have to battle it out one generation to the next. My desire for competition in any industry is not limited to a set of names.
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  • thestryker
    The thing I'm most curious about is what the clock scaling looks like. Intel 7 provided the most ridiculous clock scaling of any node anyone has produced to date and Intel's first EUVs nodes all appear to be similar to TSMC. At the same time there haven't been any unlocked parts on Intel's EUV nodes with the first potentially being GNR workstation, but client wise won't be until NVL at the end of next year.

    While you don't want just super high clock speeds they balance out how big CPU designs need to be for a given level of performance.
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  • dephatter
    Aren't most of Panther Lake CPU's supposed to be produced by TSMC anyway, with only the low-end SKU's produced by Intel due to bad yields?
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  • thestryker
    dephatter said:
    Aren't most of Panther Lake CPU's supposed to be produced by TSMC anyway, with only the low-end SKU's produced by Intel due to bad yields?
    No PTL CPUs are being produced by TSMC period. The CPU Tiles are Intel 18A, 4 Xe3 core GPU Tiles are Intel 3, 12 core Xe3 GPU Tiles are TSMC N3E and the IO Tile is TSMC N6. As for the base tile I've not seen node mentioned anywhere but it's a safe bet it's an Intel node since every one to date has been.
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  • MosephV
    phead128 said:
    Why don't people say the same about Nvidia and competition.
    Do you live under a rock? It's a common sentiment. As it should be
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  • Moores_Ghost
    18A is shot. This will be closer to TSMC's N5 than N3 or N2 and the yields will be abysmal. You can tell by the processors they are designing for it. The designs themselves tell the story. This comparison is a farce, really. It's nice of Tom's to give Intel a hand but take a close look, Anton.
    Samsung? They still show good growth and although still not there with TSMC they are so close in so many ways.
    Each one has something the other does not. So each has a place. That said, Intel needs to drop prices and move entire products to TSMC to keep up while they iron out their process nodes. Another Raptor Lake will nail their coffin shut. What a world it will be with Nvidia running Intel if it happens.
    For reference, I'm rooting for Intel to make it. They always have before. They usually have an Ace in the hole but I know it's not 18A.
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