GeForce GTX 580M SLI Vs. Radeon HD 6990M CrossFire
A flagship graphics launch is bound to fail unless it's the fastest game in town. Well, both AMD and Nvidia say their respective juggernauts have that title. Clearly, only one company can be right. Is the Radeon HD 6990M or GeForce GTX 580M quicker?
From High-End Desktop To Elite Notebook
Eurocom chose to arm our test mule with Intel's Core i7-990X, if only to show that the Panther is capable of accommodating the fastest (and most power-hungry) processor available. There are, of course, a few drawbacks to showboating with such a potent piece of hardware (mainly, heat and power use). However, this desktop replacement chassis is intended to run primarily from an AC outlet anyway.
Even as the chassis designer somehow found room for a 130 W CPU, desktop-class 240 W graphics cards are still beyond the power and thermal capacity of any notebook. And this is where AMD and Nvidia’s model numbering gets confusing, if not downright disingenuous. We've complained about this before, and we'll do it again. Both organizations like to name their fastest mobile parts as if they were equivalent to their fastest desktop products. Of course, they're not even close.
Here's one of the most egregious examples: while the desktop Radeon HD 6990 uses a pair of "Cayman” GPUs, the Radeon HD 6990M’s single “Blackcomb XT” graphics processor shares more in common with the company's mainstream Barts part at the heart of Radeon HD 6870 and 6850 cards. A quick look at the specs shows why.
Desktop vs Mobility Radeon Graphics | |||
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Row 0 - Cell 0 | Desktop Radeon HD 6990 | Desktop Radeon HD 6870 | Radeon HD 6990M |
Transistors | 5.28 billion | 1.7 billion | 1.7 billion |
Engine Clock | 830 MHz | 900 MHz | 715 MHz |
Shader (ALUs) | 3072 | 1120 | 1120 |
Texture Units | 192 | 56 | 56 |
ROP Units | 64 | 32 | 32 |
Compute Performance | 5.1 TFLOPS | 2.01 TFLOPS | 1.60 TFLOPS |
DRAM Type | GDDR5-5000 | GDDR5-4200 | GDDR5-3600 |
DRAM Interface | 256-bits per GPU | 256-bits | 256-bits |
Memory Bandwidth | 160 GB/s per GPU | 134 GB/s | 115.2 GB/s |
TDP | 375 W | 151 W | 100 W |
Small differences aside, two Radeon HD 6970s go into a single desktop-class Radeon HD 6990. Meanwhile, the Radeon HD 6990M is nothing more than a power-optimized, underclocked Radeon HD 6870.
Similarly, the former mobile flagship (Radeon HD 6970M) was based on the desktop Radeon HD 6850. Sorry guys, Cayman’s thermal envelope is still too great for notebook use.
Nvidia is guilty of overstating the size of its package, too. Its GeForce GTX 580M’s GF114 GPU looks strikingly similar to the GeForce GTX 560 Ti’s GF114. And, in this case, they even use the same name. Let’s take a look at how it compares to the desktop GeForce GTX 580.
Desktop vs Mobile GeForce Graphics | |||
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Row 0 - Cell 0 | Desktop GeForce GTX 580 | GeForce GTX 560 Ti | GeForce GTX 580M |
Transistors | Three billion | 1.95 billion | 1.95 billion |
Engine Clock | 607 MHz | 822 MHz | 620 MHz |
Cuda Cores | 512 | 384 | 384 |
Texture Units | 64 | 64 | 64 |
ROP Units | 48 | 32 | 32 |
Compute Performance | 1.51 TFLOPS | 1.26 TFLOPS | 952 GFLOPS |
DRAM Type | GDDR5-4008 | GDDR5-4008 | GDDR5-3000 |
DRAM Interface | 384-bits | 256-bits | 256-bits |
Memory Bandwidth | 192 GB/s | 128 GB/s | 96 GB/s |
TDP | 244 W | 170 W | 100 W |
Both AMD and Nvidia base their high-end notebook GPUs on upper-mainstream desktop parts, as neither is capable of producing a high-end desktop GPU at low power. The days of notebook GPUs based on desktop parts bearing similar names flew out the window when dual-slot graphics coolers become mandatory on desktop cards. But there's still that problem when a buyer compares a compact desktop with a GeForce GTX 560 Ti to a desktop-replacement notebook with GeForce GTX 580M and he doesn't know the GeForce GTX 560 Ti is actually the more-powerful part.
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This time around, AMD's misrepresentation is the more serious. Its Radeon HD 6990 is already a hot, loud beast on the desktop. We're not sure the idea of that in a mobile platform is even attractive.
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burnley14 I'm amazed that this product even exists. The market for people willing to pay $7k for a behemoth gaming laptop has to be pretty miniscule.Reply -
decembermouse Come on, AMD, I've seen too many articles like this declaring Nvidia's new solution to be the superior one. We know that AMD's cards tend to be more power-efficient, but that only goes so far for some people. Keep that advantage certainly, but become more competitive with overall performance as well.Reply -
aznshinobi Do you really need this much performance in a laptop, I curious. A GTX 560M could run most games on medium-high anyways (on a laptop) those laptops run about $1100, the saved money could get you a beast SB-E or BD comp and then some left for the college fund.Reply -
Crashman aznshinobiDo you really need this much performance in a laptop, I curious. A GTX 560M could run most games on medium-high anyways (on a laptop) those laptops run about $1100, the saved money could get you a beast SB-E or BD comp and then some left for the college fund.Do you really think so? Because 1920x1080 seems to be a fairly popular resolution for 17" notebooks, and a single GTX 580M appears barely-adequate for medium-settings at that resolution. Well, maybe a single HD 6990M would do. That's why the article suggested the HD 6990M might be a top solution for slightly smaller notebooks, aka "normal sized" 17" notebooks.Reply -
Crashman iam2thecrowe377W lol, that needs a big ass AC Adaptor!Remember that's input wattage FOR the adapter. The output was STILL less than 300W. These high-capacity power bricks are far from being 80-Plus Gold rated!Reply -
Todd Sauve CrashmanDo you really think so? Because 1920x1080 seems to be a fairly popular resolution for 17" notebooks, and a single GTX 580M appears barely-adequate for medium-settings at that resolution. Well, maybe a single HD 6990M would do. That's why the article suggested the HD 6990M might be a top solution for slightly smaller notebooks, aka "normal sized" 17" notebooks.Reply
This entire article is eminently STUPID! Who is going to spend that kind of money on a notebook simply so they can play games on it?
And is there a human being on this planet that can make use of a resolution like 1920x1080 on a 17" notebook screen in order to play games?
It is little wonder that the rest of the world finds us degenerate when we will indulge ourselves with toys like this, and at such a scandalous price, while millions of our fellow human beings are simply starving to death as we speak ... ;(