Samsung Says Jury Foreman's History Marred Apple Verdict

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  • Ragnar-Kon
    Not that I want to defend Apple... but now Samsung is just trying to find bogus reasons to avoid paying the $1 billion.
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  • Yes a conflict of interest is most certainly bogus.
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  • Ragnar-Kon : The verdict itself was bogus, why shouldn't Samsung try to get out of paying it?
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  • robochump
    lol. Samsung is hilarious!!! It did all it could for a miss trial by playing games and making public critical facts of the case. Then of course now wants it to be known that the jurors are biased or have an agenda. It doesnt take a genius to see that Samsung borrowed heavily from Apple's designs and STILL does! Look at Chromebox as a recent MAC Mini clone. Apple vs Samsung verdict's in Asia all fell through and cant say there is no bias there? lol Not sure why Samsung cant just admit that it wanted to boost sales by copying a superior product?!? Lastly doesn't the defense get to choose the Jury?!?
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  • Ragnar-Kon
    Ragnar-ConRagnar-Kon : The verdict itself was bogus, why shouldn't Samsung try to get out of paying it?I disagree. I think the verdict was correct based on current patent laws.

    Now whether the patent laws actually make sense is a totally different conversation.
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  • RADIO_ACTIVE
    Ragnar-KonNot that I want to defend Apple... but now Samsung is just trying to find bogus reasons to avoid paying the $1 billion.Would you want to hand over $1 Billion dollars to Apple, let alone $1 hundred....
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  • silentbobdc
    Actually if you've read some of the comments the foreman made about prior art, which go to the validity of the patents used to gain said judgement against Samsung, you'd see that his interpretation appears biased or at least flawed. His argument that the because the older hardware couldn't run the newer software without error meant that the new designs must infringe is retarded. Try running iOS6 on an old device and it won't work or will be severely crippled (on anything less than an iPhone4 many many features are disabled). Try running a new build of android on a first gen handset and that won't work either. Hardware and software develop very quickly, especially in the mobile space and arguing that because things weren't backward compatible it must infringe is moronic. Add that to the fact that they issued a judgement/award on a product the jury deemed to be non-infringing and his comments on how it had to be punitive to Samsung (which he later "clarified") and it shows a distinct bias on his part.

    My favorite quote from him was this:
    And so consequently, when we looked at the source code - I was able to read source code - I showed the jurors that the two methods in software were not the same, nor could they be interchangeable because the hardware that was involved between the old processor and the new processor - you couldn't load the new software methodology in the old system and expect that it was going to work.

    I didn't think advancements in processor architecture was the issue being debated. Also, nice of the guy with the bias to explain things to the rest of the jury by interpreting the source code for them. IF they needed that explained an impartial expert should have been requested with their testimony on the record for transparency. I'm pretty sure he wasn't qualified or called as an expert witness, although, at this point, it appears he could have been a full fledged member of the Apple legal team.
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  • ddpruitt
    This is our justice system at work. If Samsung won originally it would have been the same article, the only difference being that the all the references to Samsung would have been replaced with Apple
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  • cbfelterbush
    The problem is that Apple should be sued, as they didn't create the tablet, nor design the first smartphone that looked like the iPhone. Apple has exploited the Patent system and wants to be paid for it, these lawsuits have nothing to do with ingenuity. Apple copied many sources to create their iPhone, they put it in a nice wrapper and it sold well, there is nothing especially unique about the iPhone.

    The fact is that Apple is not the source for the inspiration that made the iPhone a success. Not as they would have you believe anyhow.

    -CB
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  • teh_chem
    It was entertaining to see this guy's Q&A on tech sites explode into people bashing him for his obvious lack of grasp on technology, and his obvious bias because of his own experiences in patents and patent litigation.

    This is a legit concern to address, but I'd be shocked if this results in a verdict dismissal.
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