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Is AMD Resurrecting the ATI Brand?

by - source: Tom's Hardware US

The ATI brand appeared on six new entries to the updated Catalyst PC Vendor ID list.

Is the ATI brand making a return? Based on a recently updated Catalyst PC Vendor ID list, that may very well be the case.

Much to our horror, AMD decided to pull the plug on ATI co-branding back in August after determining that it had enough clout in the graphics sector to ditch the long-standing ATI name. AMD kept the brand after assimilating the GPU manufacturer into its collective back in 2006 to better compete with Nvidia. However three months later it's still hard putting "AMD" in front of Radeon simply because ATI feels more natural.

But based on the latest Catalyst PC Vendor ID List, AMD may go back to using ATI after all. Although the list is no longer available online, Google Cache still has a copy on file and clearly shows six unannounced Radeon HD 6000-series cards retaining the ATI brand. They follow two entries for 6800-series cards that appear with the AMD Radeon brand on both the list and retail packaging.

AMD Radeon HD 6800 SeriesNI
6739
AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series NI
6738
ATI Radeon HD 6230 Evergreen68F9
ATI Radeon HD 6250
Evergreen
68F9
ATI Radeon HD 6290 Evergreen68F9
ATI Radeon HD 6390
Evergreen
68DA
ATI Radeon HD 6510
Evergreen
68D9
ATI Radeon HD 6750
Evergreen
68BE

There speculation that the ATI branding may be tied to the architecture used by the six unannounced cards--Evergreen--and are merely re-branded versions of older HD 5000-series cards. The product IDs indicate that the three HD 6200 cards will be based on the HD 5400 GPUs, the HD 6390 and HD 6510 based on the HD 5500 GPUs, and the HD 6750 based on the HD 5700 series. The six new boards may also offer a few upgrades to the overall design but could simply be straight re-brands of cards already on the market.

Naturally, because the list was pulled and AMD hasn't officially announced the six cards, everything is merely speculation. The ATI branding could simply be a copy-paste error when adding the new entries, or as previously stated, could be linked to the older, ATI-era architecture.

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IM0001 11/16/2010 10:23 PM
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Lets hope. However they took the "Survey" of the ATI name relevance was completely invalid since almost nobody has come up to say "I was asked by AMD about it". I know carrying 2 names may be a burden to a company. But AMD and Graphics just doesn't flow like ATI. AMD = CPU. ATI = GPU.

sceen311 11/16/2010 10:25 PM
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why don't you wait till the brand is dead before asking that questing? last I checked there's still a crap load of ati products on the market.

jfby 11/16/2010 10:26 PM
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Why should AMD keep ATI? I think it's analagous as to why does GM keep Chevrolet? Some people would be perfectly fine with driving a GM Corvette or a GM CTS, but others value the brand recognition for whatever reason.

When first annouced most jumped in saying it was a good move, and I think it would've been a great move if ATI didn't have such brand equity in the eyes of the consumer. The naming wouldn't sway me one way or the other, but maybe someone who hasn't bought a card in 5 years just might be affected.

wcnighthawk 11/16/2010 10:37 PM
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That's pretty funny. I didn't even notice the ATI was missing on some cards and was still referring to them as "ATI Radeon" to people I talked to. I got to start paying more attention :P Well, not that it matters anymore if they are switching it back. And yes, I do own an ATI graphics card.

stm1185 11/16/2010 10:40 PM
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iam2thecrowe 11/16/2010 11:03 PM
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Although when you look at their fusion chips and mainboards that contain bot AMD and ATI products, it is a bit stupid. Do you have an AMD cpu/gpu or an ATI GPU/CPU chip???. The companies are as one and there should be one name.

DokkRokken 11/16/2010 11:10 PM
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jfby :
Why should AMD keep ATI? I think it's analagous as to why does GM keep Chevrolet? Some people would be perfectly fine with driving a GM Corvette or a GM CTS, but others value the brand recognition for whatever reason.



Agreed, although Chevrolet is way better known than ATI, and getting rid of it would be detrimental. However, in AMD's case, it makes far more sense to continue with just the one brand as ATI has little recognition outside of the enthusiast/technology realm. By getting rid of ATI, there's only one advertising channel, and makes it easier for AMD to promote their products, and makes it easier for Joe Average at Best Buy to make a decision on a new PC.

Ciuy 11/16/2010 11:22 PM
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AMD = CPU
ATI = GPU
simple
keep it simple.

iam2thecrowe 11/17/2010 12:07 PM
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Ciuy :
AMD = CPUATI = GPUsimplekeep it simple.


but when the gpu and cpu are on the same chip, its not so simple. Radeon is the GPU name, weather its AMD or ATI.

jimmysmitty 11/17/2010 1:12 AM
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jfby :
Why should AMD keep ATI? I think it's analagous as to why does GM keep Chevrolet? Some people would be perfectly fine with driving a GM Corvette or a GM CTS, but others value the brand recognition for whatever reason.When first annouced most jumped in saying it was a good move, and I think it would've been a great move if ATI didn't have such brand equity in the eyes of the consumer. The naming wouldn't sway me one way or the other, but maybe someone who hasn't bought a card in 5 years just might be affected.



The same reason why Sprite is still Sprite even though they are owned by Coke or MT Dew is still MT Dew though owned by Pepsi.

Their names have the recognition that sells. Ford owns Mazda yet its not a Ford 6 or Ford RX8. Name means a lot to the consumers. Now to us, meh. I do prefer the ATI name over AMD though as I have grown used to it but it wont change a thing so long as the GPUs are decent. But to the consumer it may.

The ATI name is what pushed nVidia and I think removing it may hurt it a bit. Of course people know AMD a bit more but they know them for CPUs and not GPUs.

But I guess we shall see.

kelemvor4 11/17/2010 1:14 AM
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Hopefully this is true. It would make it easier for AMD to sell off the "ATI" division and return to profitability. I'm sure the shareholders who didn't already jump ship are tired of paying the price for Ruiz' mistakes.

jerreece 11/17/2010 1:34 AM
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AMD is RETARDED for even considering dropping the ATI name in my opinion. But hey, I'm just one guy who's been playing with, building, and enjoying computers since the 90's.

southernshark 11/17/2010 1:43 AM
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They should change the name to SouthernShark and pay me a ton of $$$$

thechief73 11/17/2010 1:50 AM
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I would like it if they brought back the ATI name just because its a habbit to say/type it, but it makes really no difference to me AMD/ATI, its just a name.

Now if the are going to start re-branding cards now that may anger me a bit. The already screwed-up 6000 series names is bad enuff, but re-branding is really going to far.

Nintendork 11/17/2010 2:07 AM
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Two of the best selling HD6000 gpu's are the sapphire models who comes with a truckload of AMD logos. People complain? people stop buying them? No.

Maybe we'are talking with extreme Ati fanboys. Now it's AMD, what's the problem? The gpu division delivers every year and minimize the competion.

conanstwin 11/17/2010 2:12 AM
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Wait, the ATI brand was dead?

theshonen8899 11/17/2010 2:22 AM
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I hope they bring it back. I still remember my first graphics card...oh my trusty Radeon 9600...lol.

Marcus52 11/17/2010 2:23 AM
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To me, the graphics products are "AMD-ATI" or "AMD/ATI" right now, the ATI company isn't the same company and the philosophy behind building them isn't the same (not saying bad necessarily, just different), so I don't think of them as "ATI" cards. Because of that, I'd rather they dropped the "ATI", it would simplify things for me. I have no problem saying "AMD Radeon", it sounds perfectly natural to my ears.

No big deal though.

;)

IzzyCraft 11/17/2010 3:00 AM
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Personally i like to think of nvidia as evil geniuses plotting ways into making more profits even if they don't have the best product.

While AMD or wait ATI
No Radeon graphcs
Wait ATI radeon??? *** i'm confused

http://imgur.com/AhFRX.jpg
Either way they need to hammer about their brand lol besides the long standing people who probably just still call it ATI this is just going to cause confusion.

Nintendork 11/17/2010 4:18 AM
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Catalyst 11.1 will be a total change for the interface, it's donde from zero instead of patched catalyst with many years on it's back.

Travis Beane 11/17/2010 4:20 AM
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iam2thecrowe :
but when the gpu and cpu are on the same chip, its not so simple. Radeon is the GPU name, weather its AMD or ATI.


AMD = CPU
Radeon = GPU
Works for me.

iamtheking123 11/17/2010 5:48 AM
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I knew the switched from ATI to AMD but I still call them ATI because it makes more sense saying "ATI >>> Nvdia" than "AMD >>> Nvidia"

invlem 11/17/2010 6:26 AM
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I still refer to the Radeon series as ATI... force of habit, its been ATI vs nVidia for years why change it?

and as many others have mentioned, when you hear AMD you don't think of graphics, but rather CPU's.

pandemonium_ctp 11/17/2010 6:44 AM
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jimmysmitty :
The same reason why Sprite is still Sprite even though they are owned by Coke or MT Dew is still MT Dew though owned by Pepsi.Their names have the recognition that sells. Ford owns Mazda yet its not a Ford 6 or Ford RX8. Name means a lot to the consumers. Now to us, meh. I do prefer the ATI name over AMD though as I have grown used to it but it wont change a thing so long as the GPUs are decent. But to the consumer it may.The ATI name is what pushed nVidia and I think removing it may hurt it a bit. Of course people know AMD a bit more but they know them for CPUs and not GPUs.But I guess we shall see.



No. Those are completely different things. You're comparing product names to company names. ATI is a company name. Mountain Dew is a product name. There wasn't a company called Mountain Dew that Pepsi bought out.

Regardless, I still refer to AMD cards as ATI, because...that's what they are. Just because another company rebranded their name on the product doesn't make me stop calling it's original namesake.

Companies buy other companies all the time, and while most of us don't know it, tons of products should actually be labeled by another name. Who really cares?

pandemonium_ctp 11/17/2010 7:18 AM
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Also, Ford doesn't own Mazda. They own a substantial part of their shares and work in cooperation in R&D with each other. It's more-less a partnership and not an ownership.

techguy378 11/17/2010 9:21 AM
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This was likely an accident on AMD's part. ATI is probably dead for good.

iam2thecrowe 11/17/2010 9:22 AM
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everything ford touches turns to crap

archange 11/17/2010 9:33 AM
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For me, it's enough to know what's under the hood. And that's a Radeon. On the other hand, ATi, as a company is part of history now. Why would one try resurrecting it for the names' sake eludes me...

It's important not to confuse companies with their products, which in Radeon's case have carried on under AMD's brand.

I think some of the confusion is due to the fact that we've been hoping for "Fusion" to start materializing a lot sooner. That would have probably brought AMD more recognition as a graphics landmark.

nielnield 11/17/2010 12:47 PM
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why would they want to change ati? don't change what is working, don't fix what isn't broken. I would rather hear a bout ati cpus than amd gpus.

NuclearShadow 11/17/2010 2:06 PM
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ATI is part of history just like 3dfx. So in a way its painful to see them go. But at-least they didn't share the same fate as 3dfx and come crashing down instead they were simply bought out by AMD.

I was very worried when AMD bought them out and rightfully so. For those who recall AMD wasn't doing too hot at that time in fact after purchasing ATI the worth of AMD soon dropped below what they bought ATI for. It's sort of strange to think that a realistic alternative history could have had a buy-out rejection from ATI and AMD would have still done terribly perhaps even worse and could have ended up being purchased by ATI in a strange twist of fate.

I believe that AMD's buyout of ATI is what saved them in the end.
This wasn't likely foreseen or part of any plan by AMD they just got lucky... damn lucky... But it just goes to show that ATI was the more secure of the two companies.

awood28211 11/17/2010 2:48 PM
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I think they should keep it. Just like cars, you have a company, a brand and a model. Company ATI, Brand, Radeon, Model 6000. Simple.


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