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Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: November '09

Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: November '09
Welcome to another edition of our Best Gaming CPUs for the Money. This month we have a handful of AMD-based processor introductions to factor into our recommendations. Moreover, Intel's Core i5-750 finds itself back on the list for new system builders. Read More

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Nvidia SLI Licensed For Intel Core i7, i5 Platforms

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12:31 PM - August 11, 2009 by Marcus Yam

Ready to rock the games.

Excited for the upcoming Intel Lynnfield platform curious what you'll do with your GeForce SLI setup? Worry no more, as Nvidia announced that it has licensed its SLI technology to Intel as well as other motherboard manufacturers, including ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte, and MSI for inclusion on their Intel P55 Express Chipset.

Soon you'll be able to grab a P55 motherboard and pair it with a Core i7 or i5 processor in the LGA1156 socket along with an Nvidia GPU set up to quad-SLI.

"Nvidia SLI technology is a perfect complement to the processing prowess of our new Core i7 and Intel DP55KG desktop board," said Clem Russo, VP and GM of Intel client board division at Intel. "Nvidia and Intel share a combined passion for furthering the PC as the definitive platform for gaming, and this combination will surely be attractive to anyone building or purchasing a brand new PC this fall."

Source : Tom's Hardware US

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scook9 08/11/2009 6:51 PM
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mlopinto2k1 08/11/2009 6:56 PM
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You sure about that? Maybe they have a new revision coming out based on the new socket. Hmmpf.. anyway, could you imagine? Quad SLI with 2 GTX295's and an overclocked extreme i7 with 4 SSD's raided and a Bluray Burner? Oh yea, with a 30" monitor as well. 1500watt PSU plus 30" monitor = electricity bill.

fulle 08/11/2009 7:04 PM
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scook9 :
"Soon you'll be able to grab a P55 motherboard and pair it with a Core i7 or i5 processor in the LGA1156 socket along with an Nvidia GPU set up to quad-SLI"Core i7 is not for P55......way to go guys.....



Intel is actually branding the high end LGA1156 socket chips as i7, since the 2 highest end LGA1156 chips should have performance superior to the current i7 920. So, I don't see any flaw in this statement.

scook9 08/11/2009 7:08 PM
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the problem is that I have never heard that and most other people probably have not either (was never mentioned on this site)

That is also some completely retarded branding on Intel's part, way to confuse EVERYONE

m3d 08/11/2009 7:13 PM
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Core i7 860 (2.8ghz) and i7 870 (2.93ghz) are LGA1156.

meatwad53186 08/11/2009 7:18 PM
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scook9 :
"Soon you'll be able to grab a P55 motherboard and pair it with a Core i7 or i5 processor in the LGA1156 socket along with an Nvidia GPU set up to quad-SLI"Core i7 is not for P55......way to go guys.....



Core i7 IS for P55......way to go scook9.....

astrodudepsu 08/11/2009 7:25 PM
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It WAS mentioned on this site, many times.

As least we now have CF and SLI on the new platform as options.

IzzyCraft 08/11/2009 7:32 PM
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m3d :
Core i7 860 (2.8ghz) and i7 870 (2.93ghz) are LGA1156.


Well that can get confusing. T_T should have named it i8 or something new.

rpmrush 08/11/2009 7:59 PM
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Intel's branding is about as retarded as Nvidia's. Sockets should be branded separately to avoid confusion. Why didn't they just call it a Q9999. Same concept. Brand them separtely. They are completely different architectures. It is kind of funny seeing Intel and Nvidia playing nice together though. We'll see what happens when Larrabee hits the streets.

bk420 08/11/2009 8:07 PM
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Okay... but no DX11 from Nvidia this fall...Yeah, I'll stick with AMD/ATI. Cheaper bang for my buck.

zachary k 08/11/2009 8:09 PM
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what about nvidia chipsets? or has nvidia given up?

dreamphantom_1977 08/11/2009 8:36 PM
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I have a gigabyge GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R sli wich also supports sli, but not quad sli. It's great that nvidia is working with intel again. :D

chaohsiangchen 08/11/2009 8:37 PM
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Zachary K :
what about nvidia chipsets? or has nvidia given up?



They didn't give up, but Intel would not license QPI and DMI to any third party chipset design teams. So, Intel offered them a deal that they can't refuse.

Anonymous 08/11/2009 8:37 PM
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@mlopinto2k1
You know the X58 chipset has had SLI support for a while now, right? No need to imagine when you can already do it ;)

Kill@dor 08/11/2009 9:14 PM
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Will the LGA1156 be slower than LGA1366? I haven't had a chance to research the main differences yet, but sound promising...at least since its new.

gsxrme22 08/11/2009 9:23 PM
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LGA1366 was used for the first gen i7 because they are nothing more than Xeons on roids. The new LGA1156 socket will have the same QPI and DMI supprt as the old LGA1366. I think of LGA1366 to LGA1156 as I do to socket 940 to socket 939 for AMD.

Netherscourge 08/11/2009 9:41 PM
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My Gigabyte X58 board support both SLI and Crossfire.

zipzoomflyhigh 08/11/2009 10:16 PM
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I wonder how much Intel raped them for on licensing. It took this long but Nvidia finally had to lube up and take it, they had no choice if they wanted to sell chipsets.
Theres a lot of ticked off people who spent $300 on X58 boards only to find out they got scammed.

mickey21 08/12/2009 12:15 PM
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Scammed, whatever, early adoption has its privileges. Those X58 built systems will still be awesome computers to own for those that dont refresh their main system often. I dont think people like myself worry too much about form factors changing all the time which they do... Just upgrade... If you cant keep up, dont try to...

My X58 has been humming along for some time now and I dont go home to it and go boohoo. I change it every year or so, what do I care. In a few months time when I upgrade again, I will buy whatever is best then...

falchard 08/12/2009 12:28 PM
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It would have been funny if nVidia said no way. It would kill Intel's Processor market share because it would no longer have a competitive IGP/Northbridge chip.

mlopinto2k1 08/12/2009 12:36 PM
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Maybe Intel fears NVIDIA's CUDA software. When I do research on CUDA the first thing I think of is this. Or even, AMD aquired ATI.. wonder if Intel could aquire NVIDIA and incorporate the video cards into the systems processing engine and have one seriously powerful CPU, especially since Microsoft seems to be working so "closely" with Intel. Wouldn't be far fetched.

da bahstid 08/12/2009 1:05 AM
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"Nvidia SLI technology is a perfect complement to the processing prowess of our new Core i7 and Intel DP55KG desktop board," said Clem Russo, VP and GM of Intel client board division at Intel.

Stay tuned for next week: Intel suing NVidia over SLI licensing on LGA-1156 (again).

archange 08/12/2009 9:07 AM
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gsxrme22 :
LGA1366 was used for the first gen i7 because they are nothing more than Xeons on roids. The new LGA1156 socket will have the same QPI and DMI supprt as the old LGA1366. I think of LGA1366 to LGA1156 as I do to socket 940 to socket 939 for AMD.



The sockets bring one major difference: no 3 channel memory controller for LGA1156. So say goodbye to the likes of ~27 GB/sec memory bandwidth.
Otherwise, the socket makes perfect sense for the value-conscious prosumer/tight-budgeted gamer.

Kl2amer 08/12/2009 5:28 PM
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Personally I don't really care what NVIDIA does until they fix there freaking drivers so that everytime I turn on my computer my screen is not reduced to 800 X 600 and my whole desktop left in disarray.

Oh and the GATE.COM ad needs to go away on Toms hardware or I will be going away permanently as well.

roofus 08/12/2009 5:59 PM
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Kl2amer :
Personally I don't really care what NVIDIA does until they fix there freaking drivers so that everytime I turn on my computer my screen is not reduced to 800 X 600 and my whole desktop left in disarray.



From my recent experience with ATI drivers and arguably the worst driver release from Nvidia in years (the 190's are crap) I would still prefer the broken Nvidia driver set. Felt like vacation by comparison.

Dax Corrin 08/12/2009 7:41 PM
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Aren't socket 1156 based i5s only going to have x8 support in SLI? Or did I miss an update?

thearm 08/21/2009 6:59 PM
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Sounds great. I may upgrade if the benchmarks look good.

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