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Japan Leads Race To Build Next Particle Smasher

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It appears that Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois, will not be able to secure the funding to build the International Linear Collider (ILC) as the potential successor of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN.

While there is always international collaboration necessary to construct and run a particle collider, it is a lost opportunity for U.S. science, which was able to attract high energy physicists from all over the world until the Tevatron was shut down in 2011.

Nature quoted Barry Barish, the head of the global design effort for the ILC, stating: "Japan is it." Barish and his team already provided the design blueprint of the 31 km (19.3 miles) long collider to an independent committee of researchers. In contrast to the LHC, the ILC is designed to collide protons and anti-protons, whereas the LHC only uses protons. The entire structure that is currently planned to reach an energy level of 1 TeV.

A small version of the ILC called Superconducting RF (SRF) test facility has been constructed at Fermilab for about $60 million. However, the ILC was originally planned to cost about $4 billion, and is now estimated to cost well over $10 billion.

 

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    catswold , December 23, 2012 7:16 PM
    Yeah the great unwashed masses have the intellectual curiosity of an ant. We almost had a super collider (the SSC) in Texas, but the morons in Congress decided it cost too much. It would have eclipsed even the LHC, with a loop of 87 kilometers and energy level of 20 TeV.

    Thanks God we have a Congress that would rather spend money on propping up giant banks and corporations . . . Heaven forbid we actually spend money improving knowledge and education. /sarc
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    neoverdugo , December 23, 2012 7:50 PM
    To be honest, I'd prefer to invest money on this type of research than wasting them on warfare and saving the rotten asses of murderous bankers
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    A Bad Day , December 23, 2012 8:00 PM
    freiheitnerAnd the benefit of spending billions on this particle smasher is... what?


    1970's

    And the benefit of developing a computer with a GUI, connection with other networks of computers and an 8-bit sound system is... what?



    1960's

    And the benefit of developing transistors when vacuum tubes are perfectly sufficient is... what?


    1900's

    And the benefit of developing computers based on vacuum tubes are perfectly sufficient is... what?


    1850's

    And the benefit of developing a mechanical computer and the first programming language is... what?
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    SirGCal , December 23, 2012 7:06 PM
    The real problem is putting a pricetag on science and exploration. It's bad enough what it'll cost to RUN the place if/when it's built... But good grief... Help em out with building it...

    Particle Colliders are how we see inside things we can't see. Inside adoms/neutrons/electrons/etc. We're finding out that the smaller we go, the more there is that we though was the end-all of our search... It just keeps going. The Atom, then the quark, and on and on... It's all about learning. Though I'm a bit surprised Japan actually put in for it considering the space it will take and how little they have... strange.
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    catswold , December 23, 2012 7:16 PM
    Yeah the great unwashed masses have the intellectual curiosity of an ant. We almost had a super collider (the SSC) in Texas, but the morons in Congress decided it cost too much. It would have eclipsed even the LHC, with a loop of 87 kilometers and energy level of 20 TeV.

    Thanks God we have a Congress that would rather spend money on propping up giant banks and corporations . . . Heaven forbid we actually spend money improving knowledge and education. /sarc
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    TheBigTroll , December 23, 2012 7:35 PM
    why in japan? earthqaukes are pretty common there. could cause some serious troubles
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    Camikazi , December 23, 2012 7:42 PM
    catswoldYeah the great unwashed masses have the intellectual curiosity of an ant. We almost had a super collider (the SSC) in Texas, but the morons in Congress decided it cost too much. It would have eclipsed even the LHC, with a loop of 87 kilometers and energy level of 20 TeV.Thanks God we have a Congress that would rather spend money on propping up giant banks and corporations . . . Heaven forbid we actually spend money improving knowledge and education. /sarc

    Well to be fair those banks and corporation pay those politicians very well to have them protect their way of business and to keep them alive. BTW I am not being serious and I do believe that saying that advancing our knowledge is too expensive when they are wasting more and getting less is stupid.
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    neoverdugo , December 23, 2012 7:50 PM
    To be honest, I'd prefer to invest money on this type of research than wasting them on warfare and saving the rotten asses of murderous bankers
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    fantasticles , December 23, 2012 7:59 PM
    el psy congroo
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    A Bad Day , December 23, 2012 8:00 PM
    freiheitnerAnd the benefit of spending billions on this particle smasher is... what?


    1970's

    And the benefit of developing a computer with a GUI, connection with other networks of computers and an 8-bit sound system is... what?



    1960's

    And the benefit of developing transistors when vacuum tubes are perfectly sufficient is... what?


    1900's

    And the benefit of developing computers based on vacuum tubes are perfectly sufficient is... what?


    1850's

    And the benefit of developing a mechanical computer and the first programming language is... what?
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    A Bad Day , December 23, 2012 8:01 PM
    TheBigTrollwhy in japan? earthqaukes are pretty common there. could cause some serious troubles


    As long as they don't use pure-concrete construction (lots of schools in earthquake-prone areas in China were built with little steel; concrete lost big time), it'll be fine.
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    A Bad Day , December 23, 2012 8:03 PM
    brickmanNow theres a particle smasher race? One country will build one so big that will destroy us all!


    We have built over 27,000 particle accelerators, and only about 1% is used for research (most are used for medical/industrial). None of them have created a black hole yet.
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    sunny420 , December 23, 2012 8:11 PM
    Japan has a lot more to focus on than building a particle smasher.
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    Anonymous , December 23, 2012 8:39 PM
    TheBigTroll is right, a 9.0+ magnitude earthquake is always a possibility in Japan, and particle smashers are too delicate to withstand such an earthquake, especially if it's running at the time... Frankly, any earthquake prone region should be banned from using Nuclear energy as well, it's just too risky.
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    A Bad Day , December 23, 2012 8:45 PM
    sunny420Japan has a lot more to focus on than building a particle smasher.


    In the 1960's, the US had other stuff to focus on instead of creating NASA.

    Today, we enjoy at least dozens of different technologies pioneered by NASA.
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    manitoublack , December 23, 2012 9:24 PM
    catswoldThanks God we have a Congress that would rather spend money on propping up giant banks and corporations . . . Heaven forbid we actually spend money improving knowledge and education. /sarc


    Don't Mention the War
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    JOSHSKORN , December 23, 2012 9:38 PM
    How about we get North Korea and Iran to partake in an Atom Smasher race instead of nuclear arms. Throw in a few other troubled countries in the mix, as well.
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    CaedenV , December 23, 2012 10:05 PM
    A Bad DayIn the 1960's, the US had other stuff to focus on instead of creating NASA.Today, we enjoy at least dozens of different technologies pioneered by NASA.

    And now NASA is all but scrapped... Biggest mistake EVER. When I was a kid I was promised that I would be able to go to Mars in my lifetime, and once I have a discretionary income I will throw a bit of it at whoever can make that closer to a reality.
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    deepblue08 , December 23, 2012 10:30 PM
    TheBigTrollwhy in japan? earthqaukes are pretty common there. could cause some serious troubles


    Exactly! One of the most dangerous projects will get built in a place with the most earthquakes? Please, they couldn't even handle a nuclear reactor.
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    n00berry , December 23, 2012 11:43 PM
    Editors at Tom's: the ILC would collide electrons and anti-electrons ("positrons"), not protons and anti-protons.
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    thecolorblue , December 23, 2012 11:59 PM
    the US shoule fund this outright with no hesitation whatsoever. 10 billion is nothing... pshaw

    US Corporate Welfare Program Handouts:
    116 billion -- fannie mae
    71 billion --- freddie mac
    67 billion --- AIG
    67 billion --- GEneral motors
    45 billion --- Bank of America
    45 billion --- Citigroup
    25 billion --- JP Morgan CHASE
    16 billion --- GMAC / Ally Financial
    10 billion --- Chrysler
    ...etc...

    B2 Bomber --- 2.4 billion each
    Aircraft Carrier -- 6.2 billion

    ----
    where there is a will, there is the money

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