Intel admits its high-end desktop PC chips 'fumbled the football,' disusses 18A yield challenges and performance, Panther Lake ramp

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Intel's chief financial officer discussed the company's progress with the upcoming Panther Lake CPUs for laptops, as well as 18A (1.8nm-class) process technology, this week. The company admits that its CPUs for higher-end desktop systems are less competitive than it would like them to be compared to AMD’s Ryzen 9000-series offerings.

"As you know, we kind of fumbled the football on the desktop side, particularly the high-performance desktop side. So we're -- as you kind of look at share on a dollar basis versus a unit basis, we don't perform as well, and it's mostly because of this high-end desktop business that we didn't have a good offering this year," Intel CFO David Zinsner said.

“But Nova Lake, which is the next product, is a more complete set of SKUs,” Zinsner said. “It does address the high-end desktop market. And so we would expect that we will improve our position next year.”

"[Panther Lake] is still on track [to launch this year]," said David Zinsner at Deutsche Bank's 2025 Technology Conference (via SeekingAlpha). "Things are looking good. Our first SKU will be out by the end of this year, and then we will have more SKUs in the first half of 2026, and you will really start to see the volume ramp as we kind of migrate through 2026." 

"We would have liked to have gotten yield stabilized sooner, but as we were adjusting performance, yield tends to be what gets impacted," said Zinsner. "We are in a good — really good place on the performance, and now we are making kind of steady incremental improvement on yields on 18A. And we'll take those learnings to help us on 14A."

Anton Shilov
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Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.

  • User of Computers
    Took them long enough!
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  • waltc3
    What I think is sort of sad is that it's taken Intel six years (eons of time in this industry) to actually admit what is obvious. Intel corporate structure was never geared to respond quickly and efficiently to competitive pressures, and so the company is an "old x86 monopoly dog trying to learn new tricks"...;) I wish them well, but am constrained to point out that for six years Intel's been saying the "the next CPUs we've got coming will close the gap and make us competitive", which didn't happen, so it puts me in the "seeing is believing" category. The problem for Intel is that it was used to AMD just sitting still until Intel could catch up or even exceed them, which is what happened under AMD's previous management (K7, etc.), back when AMD struggled with the burden of its own FABs before it sold them to Global Foundries. This AMD has the pedal to the metal so to speak and is firing on all 12 cylinders and shows no sign of slowing its innovation. At some point, Intel must stop looking ahead and be able to compete today, in the current market, certainly. This is their intent, of course, but remains to be seen.
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  • usertests
    Does Panther Lake use 18A with or without backside power delivery?
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  • 80251
    Nova Lake is a great name for Intel CPUs considering how hot they run. Maybe they should name their next gen. space heater CPU Lava Lake.
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  • Notton
    80251 said:
    Nova Lake is a great name for Intel CPUs considering how hot they run.
    "Nova" means "New".
    Example words: Novice, Novelty
    "Star" is "Stellaris"
    A new star is called "Nova Stellar", but the person who coined supernova omitted the stellaris for some reason. Supernova just means the "new" star is super bright to distinguish it from other visible stars in the sky.
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  • bit_user
    Notton said:
    "Nova" means "New".
    Example words: Novice, Novelty
    "Star" is "Stellaris"
    A new star is called "Nova Stellar", but the person who coined supernova omitted the stellaris for some reason. Supernova just means the "new" star is super bright to distinguish it from other visible stars in the sky.
    Sure, you can be pedantic, but Wikipedia has an entry for Nova, not Nova Stellaris.
    "A nova is a transient astronomical event that causes the sudden appearance of a bright, apparently "new" star (hence the name "nova", Latin for "new")"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova
    So, it's a working term, among astronomers, for sudden, new star creation events. IMO, @80251 hit near enough to the mark for a casual quip.
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  • bit_user
    David Zinsner said:
    I think Lip-Bu actually named the product in some forum
    Uh, which forum? Was this like an Ask Me Anything event?

    The article said:
    it will likely take years for Intel to recover in the data center space.
    Intel faces three challenges, here:
    Potential loss of ~50% revenue, if China switches to homebuilt products.
    Nvidia's CPUs are sewing up the market for AI host processors. The more the datacenter moves to AI, the smaller the share of sockets Intel could populate.
    Hyperscalers are building their own CPUs: Amazon, Google, and Microsoft are all on this bandwagon.
    Even if Intel succeeds in gaining a larger share of a shrinking market, it's going to be a tough fight.
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  • Loadedaxe
    waltc3 said:
    What I think is sort of sad is that it's taken Intel six years (eons of time in this industry) to actually admit what is obvious. Intel corporate structure was never geared to respond quickly and efficiently to competitive pressures, and so the company is an "old x86 monopoly dog trying to learn new tricks"...;) I wish them well, but am constrained to point out that for six years Intel's been saying the "the next CPUs we've got coming will close the gap and make us competitive", which didn't happen, so it puts me in the "seeing is believing" category. The problem for Intel is that it was used to AMD just sitting still until Intel could catch up or even exceed them, which is what happened under AMD's previous management (K7, etc.), back when AMD struggled with the burden of its own FABs before it sold them to Global Foundries. This AMD has the pedal to the metal so to speak and is firing on all 12 cylinders and shows no sign of slowing its innovation. At some point, Intel must stop looking ahead and be able to compete today, in the current market, certainly. This is their intent, of course, but remains to be seen.
    Intel’s biggest enemy these past six years hasn’t really been AMD.......it’s been itself.

    The bureaucracy, fab missteps, and overconfidence that the x86 monopoly was untouchable all left them flat footed. You are right, the old playbook of “AMD stalls, Intel catches up” just doesn’t work anymore because Lisa Su’s AMD isn’t Hector Ruiz’s AMD.

    But let’s not forget, AMD has had its own dark age too, Bulldozer was a disaster that nearly killed them, and they spent years as an "also" while Intel raked in record profits.

    And even with Zen, it hasn’t all been smooth sailing, memory compatibility headaches, AGESA growing pains, stability quirks, and X3D chips literally burning out aren’t exactly what you’d call flawless execution.

    So yeah, Intel’s been talking the talk for years without delivering, and seeing is believing is fair. But the same people who laughed AMD off during the Bulldozer era are the ones who got blindsided by Zen.

    Intel has the scale and resources to pull a similar comeback......if they execute. Competition is messy, and neither side’s track record is as spotless as their fanbases like to pretend.
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  • JayNor
    Zinsner also confirmed that the first 18a Panther Lake SKUs are still on track for q4.

    Intel recently presented CWF, with their own hybrid bonding enabling the 576MB of L3 SRAM on its base tiles.

    It's not clear yet if Intel will use base tile SRAM in their consumer desktop chips, but they did use it in their PVC GPU. I suspect we'll see it again in Jaguar Shores.

    It was interesting that the CWF base tile was built with Intel-3, while they've also presented an 18a SRAM cell that has both higher density and performance.

    Zinsner didn't mention an Arrow Lake refresh, which has been mentioned in several leaks. He also didn't mention the new NPU and GPU coming on Panther Lake. Its Xe3 GPU probably deserves its own presentation.
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  • thestryker
    usertests said:
    Does Panther Lake use 18A with or without backside power delivery?
    Due to the cancelation of 20A Intel doesn't really have a choice but to include it. It's the first volume product to market on a flagship node that they're trying to sell to external customers so it has to include all the bells and whistles whether or not the CPU needs it to be competitive.

    If WCL comes later and has a different die I could see it potentially not having BSPDN. Otherwise I wouldn't expect any Intel products to not utilize it until maybe 18A-P is ramping.
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