Nvidia GeForce 8200/8300 mGPU
First of all, we need to address some confusion around the products GeForce 8200 and GeForce 8300, as there is no way to find out their differences on the Nvidia website. The GeForce 8300 probably was a reaction to AMD’s graphics performance with the 780G chipset, as the 8200 and 8300 are identical except for the clock speed of their 16 stream processors: the GeForce 8200 runs at 1.2 GHz, while the GeForce 8300 is clocked at a 1.5 GHz speed, providing improved 3D graphics performance.
Nvidia decided to emphasize the GeForce part of this integrated chipset, by dropping the nForce name. That’s also why Nvidia refers to it as the GeForce 8200/8300 mGPU – this stands for Motherboard GPU. The model number indicates a perfect fit into the GeForce 8 family, signifying that GeForce 8200 is actually the entry-level part.
Big Chip Beats Two-Way AMD Design
Unlike the AMD 780G chipset, the GeForce 8200/8300 mGPU is a single-chip solution, which isn’t even built on a top-notch manufacturing process. Nvidia utilizes an 80 nm process, which is good enough to hold all the chipset features, PCI Express 2.0 connectivity, SATA controller with legacy UltraATA, 12 USB 2.0 ports and a Gigabit Ethernet controller. Even with all that, the solution is still slightly more efficient than the 780G, requiring a system idle power of 58 W versus AMD’s 60 W using a Phenom X4 9600 processor.
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Does nVidida Hybrid Power work with a 8400GS/8500GT? Does Hybrid SLI/GeForce Boost work with a 9800/200 series card? You mention the 8000series when you talk about SLI, but the 9800/200 when you talk about power. You also say Hybrid SLI can be enabled with low-end cards, but I believe the problem with ATI's solution is that you couldn't use high-end discrete cards. This is a little confusing, luckily I'm not planning an upgrade to this technology.
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"The GeForce 8200 graphics unit provided much more performance in 3DMark06 .."
But your graph clearly shows AMD ahead in 3DMark06!
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"Graphics: Nvidia Wins"
After losing all the 3D benchmarks and games, you still consider the Geforce the winner? If you consider Hybrid SLI that important, then at least put 'no winner' for 'Graphics' like you did for 'Efficiency'.
I think your priorities are backwards. Businesses buy a lot of systems like this. Productivity is usually their main concern with a system of this grade. Most people I know make heavy use of Outlook, Word, Excel, and other office products (or equivalents) on a daily basis. People I know that make heavy use of products like after effects, and 3DSMax usually do so on more capable systems. I can photoshop being used on systems like this, but I suspect Office type product usage would be much higher even on those systems. In conclusion, winning the overall score due to dominance in applications that will be used most heavily on systems like these makes sense. I'd be more apt to complain if the system won due to a few relatively small advantages in products that are less likely to used on a system like this while losing badly in the ones that are.
The lower power usage of the nVidia system multiplied by the number of units a business needs might be a good selling point. Though, I'd want to see the average power usage over a benchmark that runs a simple mix of Office and internet tasks before I'd be sure the nVidia system was the best choice (for standard office computers).
I do think that nVidia's hybrid solution offers a lot of value for people that use adobe products with support for GPU acceleration as they work better with nVidia cards than ATI cards. The hybrid solution would allow the user to run with relatively low power consumption and draw more power when running the adobe product in question. Of course, this still requires you to buy a separate discreet card, but then you can also use the system to game.
Thanks for the article. I've been hoping that HybridPower and/or PowerXpress (AMD's implementation, though only in mobile parts) would get some limelight. One question about Hybrid Power: would it let you run dual display (analog+digital) like the regular IGP would, or does it disable dual-display as it does (did?) in regular SLI?
At any rate, it seems like an amazing feature that may just sway me towards nV in my upcoming build despite all the things I don't like about the company...
The HDMI specs of the ATI 780G chipset do not fully comply with 1.3. Only the video part does. For audio only 2 Channel LPCM, Dolby Digital 5.1, or DTS 5.1 is supported. This is mentioned on several manufacturers websites and it has been confirmed by several users.
The Nvidia 8200/8300 on the other hand supports 8 channel LPCM over HDMI.
You said that GeForce 8200 provides much more performance in 3DMark06 in the conclusion, however in page 16 of the article you wrote 780G has better performance in 3DMark06... Some kind of mistake? In the charts 780G has the lead
synthetics r good tests, but r SYNTHETICS. 780g won in the real game tests, and thats whats matters. when i buy a gpu, i want real applications performance, not a high 3dmark score.
i don't wanna be a amd/ati fanboy, but is clear that 780g is a superior chipset, except on the power consumption, when it loses for a minimal diference.
sorry for my poor english, i'm not from us/uk.
in my opinion; GRAPHICS: AMD/ATI WINS!
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The 4-phase voltage regulator does not use solid capacitors, but that is usually not the case for low-budget motherboards. However, it is powerful enough to stay cool even running an overclocked Phenom X4 processor. (quote)
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT???? WITHOUT QUALIFICATION.
LOOK HERE FOLKS - the mobo manufacturers are being really quiet about this - I THINK (?) a few MIGHT have dealt with it - but nowhere do I see that the manufacturers' use of cheap MOSFET parts (3 or 4 phase) has been improved to handle hipower hiwatts cpu's - READ IT BEFORE YOU WEEP!
NOWHERE do I see a comforting statement that this economical weakness has been resolved. Nowhere do I see specific (!) "CPU SUPPORT LISTS" that really spell out a safe solution or a specific warning or anything that makes me feel safe. This is an issue with mobo manufacturers. Buyers need to simply understand the limitations. Here's a link to some brutal testing for you - or you can buy into this little lord of duh rings fairy tale. After 4 pages of nothing, I need a break.
read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3299&p=2
I love the 780G boards - just know the limits!! And adding a specific fan might be prudent - the only reason I am reading this is for some info on the resolution of tthis issue - I don't see it. Most of this is old news from last april.
I will read more later (yawn)
Biostar has an intresting board with a little heat pipe on it - but no comment about why?? I think it's called space pipe or like that. And they say they support Phenom 9859 cpu.
Gigobyt seems to be shuffling "versions" - really unclear.
Azoosss seems to offer a 3year warranty (nice!) but the 780G board seems to have disappeared from the site - at least, I could not find it.
Stay below 95watts cpu is supposed to be safe
- an article on this issue????
PRICELESS
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we did not even try more demanding games such as Crysis, for performance reasons
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Of course - no one in their right mind would read a review seeking performance information.
Back in April and May when various 780g mobos were being raved about, it was revealed that Crysis would run and the HybridXfire (w 3450card) actually improved it - the numbers weren't much tho. 3dguru recommended using a 3870 - last May. What about the 4850? It wasn't out last April.
I have now read 11 pages and I wonder why. Your nvidiot bias is gross. And I feel like I am reading a promo for assrox. how about a ppcchippps review? that would be stimulating.
Nice of you to use an ancient phenom 9600 - was that the B2 stepping errors. Find that under the bench?
What happens when you drop a 9850/9950 in it? Does it go boom??
Is this your first rev?
—all Socket AM2+ boards can run a quad core AMD Phenom X4 processor.
Does this mean only one? like the crippled 9600.
Or can they run any phenom? like the 125 watt models. Or the 6400 x2?
And your benchmarks clearly show in real game that nvidiot loses. again.
This is one sad review. I apologize for reading it. This is a new low.
intel chipsets rule and the 4870x2 will bury nvidia for the next 6 months. nehalem make amd buy of ati really smart.
ZootyGray - cribber
- MSI lets you buy a motherboard with Solid Capacitors - as an option you do get it if you want
- The TLB error has only been reproduced in AMD lab, nowhere else.
- Since you can't find motherboards, let me make it easy for you:
http://asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=639
Those are the 780G Mobos from ASUS that support uption 140W CPU's; Any problem get back to ASUS.
You obviously read a lot that goes over your head. Slow download and read less that way you can actually understand the small things and will not need to crip so much.
AMD 780 is much FASTER than nVidia in 3DMark06, correct your conclusion please.
I don't think they give a ****.
The sound properties and energy consumption is affected by the manufacture's choice of components and driver support, and are not entirely a chipset issue.
Some of the conclusions seem to be made by retards. They contradict the facts of their own testing. If you're not payed to lie, fix the text - Boneheads
—all Socket AM2+ boards can run a quad core AMD Phenom X4 processor.
Does this mean only one? like the crippled 9600.
Or can they run any phenom? like the 125 watt models. Or the 6400 x2?
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I helped a friend's friend build an AMD phenom machine with a Gigabyte 780G board with a 9750. It works fine, unlike some other 780G boards out there but Gigabyte, along with some others, have updated their CPU lists. The 9850 was not recommended though.
If you are going to make blatantly wrong statements in your conclusion regarding which is the better graphics solutions, at least fudge your benchmark results so it looks consistent! I don't know if I am missing something, but why is Nvidia the winner if AMD won all of the graphics benchmarks?
Whenever there is a really funky article written, I check up top to see who has written it and it is always Schmid and Roos.
The chipset has nothing to do with the processor support in terms of power consumption.
The power supplies on the motherboards does.
Either power supply on the board supports 125w, 140w (or higher if you're overclocking) or it doesn't.
One of the reasons that cheaper boards don't allow overclocking features is that they know they don't have a supply that can take it.
There's a reason that they have heatsinks on those fets.
@ Canute24, are you absolutely certain that the phenom TLB error has only been found in AMD test labs?
Maybe you should take a look at this:
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=121752
*hands dunce cap to canute24*