Report: AMD Developing New Kabini and Piledriver Chips
AMD has unveiled 5 new Kabini APUs based on Jaguar cores and 2 new Piledriver FX Chips.
AMD has unveiled the E1-2100, E1-2500 and E1-3000, three new Kabini APUs based on Jaguar cores (the successor to Bobcat) that are intended for use in "netbooks, thin laptops and all-in-one systems." The Kabini APUs feature a revised memory controller and integrated GPU that results in approximately 50 percent better performance than its predecessors and allows a battery life of up to 10 hours.
The chips all use 28 nm transistors, come in a BGA packaging, and have 1 MB of L2 cache memory combined with an unknown frequency and power consumption. In addition to the aforementioned 3 APUs, the E1-3310 and E1-2210 also have been confirmed, but no information on their specifications are currently available. AMD's Kabini family of chips are expected to integrate features such as AES, F16C and AVX instructions into the processor itself.
AMD has also added two Piledriver FX chips to its product line-up: the FX-4350 and FX-6350. The former chip is a quad-core clocked at 4.2 GHz and 4.3 GHz when only two cores are active. The latter is a hexacore CPU clocked at 3.9 GHz that can be further elevated to 4.2 GHz. Both the FX-4350 and FX-6350 will feature AM3+ sockets, 8 MB of L3 cache memory, a 125 W TDP, and costs roughly $150 (£100).

Now keep the IGPU kicking and beat Intel processors.
Also, with PS4 and Xbox720 coming soon with 8-core AMD, I suppose multicore support will be more common and AMD will benefit from that.
I think you mean "competitive product." Profits typically follow suit.
Now keep the IGPU kicking and beat Intel processors.
Also, with PS4 and Xbox720 coming soon with 8-core AMD, I suppose multicore support will be more common and AMD will benefit from that.
Personally I'm waiting for steamroller seeing that its the last reported CPU from AMD to use AM3+.
I think you mean "competitive product." Profits typically follow suit.
Fucking Tom's filled with fanboys
They do have some competitive products. The fx-6300 for instance, is amazing at its price point. Beats intel (in the same price range) in any task that is threaded well. it goes for between 120-140$. Not the best for gamers, but for many other tasks it cant be beat for under 150$
It's the down voting trolls. They seem to be unusually prevalent lately, and that's saying a lot. The voting system is rarely used for its intended purpose, but despite how often it's misused Tom's still continues to openly support it. I really think commenting worked better back when the voting system was broken.
The FX-6350 is a 125W TDP and more expensive, and they all likely OC to the same point, so I'd say little reason to go 6350 anyway.
Downrating makes someone's post look bad, even though it has a very good point. Like you said, downrating troll, and the system is very broken.
i mean were not talking abot a a-10 here its saying better than brazos. They said thin notebooks and i think "ultrabook" i already see previews of 600$ haswell laptops/ultrabooks.
the i3 is already in alot of tablets. im a little tired of everyone supporting that amd isnt going to compete at all in any bracket of performance except for ultra low end in the mobile market.
IPC latency? Were you drinking when you made that up? It makes no sense.
They basically castrated the integer units for the Bulldozer and Piledriver, and then added another one to make a pair. Consequently, the only way to get good integer throughput is to use two threads per core, or you just have a lousy processor. But, of course, the decoder can't keep up with two threads at the same time, so basically you have this crummy processor that performs worse at everything compared to the Intel processors.
On top of that, AMD still hasn't learned how to make a cache. They have a puny 16K L1, but it's still slow, and makes the processor much more dependent on the L2 cache. The L2 cache is catastrophically slow, and is only exceeded in ineptness by their L3 cache implementation.
In short, AMD's Bulldozer/Piledriver chips suck donkey balls.
So, if you meant their cache latency is killing the processors, and exacerbating already poor IPC caused by castrating the integer unit, I'd agree.
It's a remarkably poor implementation, being quite large, very slow, and consuming massive amounts of power. It took a lot of engineering talent to make a modern processor that bad. Piledriver helped, but the basic design and slow cache limit this lousy processor severely.
Steamroller could fix a lot of sins with a better decoder, restoring the ALU in each integer unit, and making a cache system that works. The latter of which is nearly impossible, since AMD has no idea how to implement an efficient cache, but maybe with Jim Keller there's hope. I'm pretty sure they'll improve the first two, but if the cache continues to blow, it's going to severely limit the performance of the processor. I'd settle for even a moderate improvement, which is possible since the BD/PD has significantly lower performance than the Thuban had. Just get us back to Thuban, and it will help a lot.
You forgot that Intel's compiler is extremely biased toward its own chips & many software companies use it. "Not genuine"...
Because the core 2 quad are still ridiculous expensive. Any new dual core from Intel isnt really an upgrade from core 2 duo 3GHz. Would be nice if they can be bench with core 2 quads. About time we get a quadcore @ intel's dual core pricing.
I was just planning on buying the 8350, I have a Asus Sabertooth 2.0 with the 6100 currently.
Dual core Celeron G1610 is available for about $50 and it's about 50% faster than a Core 2 Duo at ~3GHz. Intel has many options available that kick the crap out of Core 2 Duo and some of them have been around since Sandy Pentiums/Celerons came out.
Unless you are doing some highly-threaded work, it'd be better to skip out on the eight-core models for now and wait until the next generation to see what is available. The FX-6350, although better than the FX-6100, isn't so much better that I'd recommend upgrading to it unless you feel that what you currently have is inadequate. Although not the only advantage, the main advantage that the 6350 has over the 6100 seems to be clock frequency- overclocking a 6100 (even on stock voltage) should cover most of the lost ground.
Are you seriously demanding that AMD's competitors for Atom get anywhere near Core i3s in performance and saying that if they fail to do so, they are a product with no purpose? WTF are you smoking? Brazos was already better than Intel's competition for it, Atom, and if Kabini is really that much better at 50% all-around better than Brazos while being incredibly more efficient and such, then it could be a product with a wide and lucrative range of markets to work with.