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Lenovo Delays Launch of Ion Netbook

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4:01 PM - August 21, 2009 by Marcus Yam

Waiting for Ion? Wait for Windows 7.

Lenovo was the first to announce an Nvidia Ion-based netbook with the Ideapad S12, but it turns out that the GeForce-gifted portable might not be the first one to market.

Gizmodo learned from Lenovo that the Ion-equipped S12 is being pushed back to October so that it may launch alongside Windows 7. Given the graphics accelerated prowess of the hardware, Windows 7 would take to it better than Windows XP, but that does mean waiting an extra two months.

Those desperate for an Ideapad S12 right now can opt for the currently available, Intel chipset-based model for $450, a couple of months wait plus another $50 will buy you better hardware and OS. Do you think it'll be a worthwhile wait?

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08nwsula 08/21/2009 10:22 PM
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I really like windows 7, but 500 for a netbook is just too much

alvine 08/21/2009 10:27 PM
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netbooks should not be more then 400. 500 is laptop territory

zambutu 08/21/2009 11:05 PM
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How can you guys put price caps on a "netbook", technology comes with a price. Should they leave the ion chipset out of netbooks completely then, or should they sell them at a loss? I'd rather pay a bit more for something better, than pay less and settle for something i'm not happy with. They'll cost what they need to charge. That said, 12" is getting too big for a "netbook" IMO; this is more like a cheap laptop

major7up 08/21/2009 11:13 PM
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It'll be worth the wait if they lower the price to match the current model.

08nwsula 08/21/2009 11:16 PM
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it's called a "netbook" because it's supposed to do really simple tasks such as surfing the internet. It's always nice to have a machine that is more powerful, but dumping all of this tech and money into such a device defeats the purpose. If you wanted to spend $500, just go get a laptop with twice the performance.

zambutu 08/21/2009 11:35 PM
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If basic web surfing is all you want then buy a first gen eeepc. I have a $1500 laptop with 3 times the performance of a curernt netbook, but its bigger than i want, heavier than i want, and the battery doesn't last. if i can get a smaller, lighter, more portable, longer battery life machine that will do what i need, for 1/3 the price...its a win. I want to be able to at least watch some movies in 720p on the go, run some simpler 3d games...

runswindows95 08/22/2009 12:03 PM
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Netbooks also lack the resolution, screen size, and processing power of a notebook. They also lack the one thing that separates them from even the cheapest notebook: optical drive. As 08nwsula pointed, they were really designed as ultra-portable internet machines.

Far as Lenovo goes, it does make sense to wait till the newest OS comes out before launching a new product based on new hardware instead of using a seven year old OS. Maybe by its launch date, the price will drop.

krazyderek 08/22/2009 5:51 AM
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alvine :
netbooks should not be more then 400. 500 is laptop territory


Not a very good one...
I for one would buy a high end netbook over a low end notebook, but i value light weight, portability, and battery life out of a computer that isn't a desktop, maybe i'm the odd one. I hate optical drives and media, give me a flash drive to boot off or copy files over a DVD+/-RW any day. Give me better battery life and a decent weight i can actually carry in my hand for more then five minutes not requiring me to have a backpack with me at all times.
The only argument people are going to throw down against this is a gaming laptop, which in it's self is almost an oxymoron, but we'll probably all agree you're not playing anything on a 500$ notebook you can't play on a ion netbook. Not to mention the year or two lag in notebook graphics, and the renaming of mobile chipset's to inflate their worth.

bk420 08/23/2009 5:30 PM
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$5oo? I've seen all types of deals for laptops in that range. I guess Win 7 might be the deal breaker, but will it run on the atom cpu properly?

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Features: Sony VGN-NR460E/P and VGN-NR460E/L Component Model CPU T2390 (1.86 GHz / 533 MHz FSB / 1 MB L2 Cache) Memory 2 GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667 MHz Graphics Controller Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 Display Widescreen 15.4" display (1280x800) Hard Disk Drive 200 GB SATA Hard Drive (5400 RPM) Wireless Networking up to 802.11n Battery 4800mAh Size (WxHxD) 14.2" x 1.20" front - 1.50" back x 10.6" Weight 6.3 pounds Operating System Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 Sony Vaio VGN-NR460E/P Homepage Sony Vaio VGN-NR460E/P Homepage Lenovo IdeaPad Y510 - 77582CU ($779) The IdeaPad line includes Lenovo’s more consumer-oriented laptops. These contrast nicely with the still very successful ThinkPad line of business laptops inherited, at least in name, from IBM. Like the Sony models, Lenovo’s Y510 - 77582CU comes in a bit less expensive than the Dell and Toshiba models, and with slight less heft on the hardware side. 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