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We have a lot of thoughts about Nvidia's RTX 4070 Ti, some good and some not so great. On the one hand, you're getting better performance than most of the 30-series GPUs, including the 3080 Ti. At the same time, the price isn't really much cheaper than a 3080 Ti — you can still find a Peladn 3080 Ti on Newegg for $899, for example. Given the choice between spending $899 on a previous generation card from a relatively unknown Chinese company, or $799 for a new 4070 Ti from a known brand, yes, we'd take the 4070 Ti. But if we already had a 3080 Ti or similar card, this definitely isn't much of an upgrade.
At best, we saw performance improvements of up to 20%, with the average improvement being closer to 10%. Considering the 3080 12GB was selling for under $800 a few months back, with performance that often matched the 3080 Ti, that's a relatively minor upgrade at best. Toss in the new DLSS 3 support and things look better, but it's important to not get too carried away with the DLSS 3 framerates.
I've been playing games with and without DLSS 3 quite a bit over the past few months, since the 4090 arrived. In general, I'd say the experience can feel smoother with DLSS 3 Frame Generation, but it's not the same as "real" frame rates that are linked to user input. Take MSFS as an example. Without DLSS 3, you max out at around 80 fps using ultra quality settings. Turn on DLSS 3 and you can get almost double the FPS… but it feels more like a 10–20 percent improvement, not a 100% increase.
I get why DLSS 3 works the way it does, but ultimately you end up with having to choose between lower latency and lower FPS, or higher latency and higher FPS. Having a choice isn't bad, but certainly DLSS 3 is no panacea, and the emphasis Nvidia is putting on DLSS 3 performance gains really rubs me the wrong way for precisely that reason. "Up to 1.8X faster than an RTX 3090 Ti!" says Nvidia. Bollocks, says I! Slightly slower in many cases, and with DLSS 3 it can feel slightly faster at best, but nowhere near 50% or 80% faster.
Don't buy into the DLSS 3 hype, in other words. It can be a nice extra, but experientially it's often quite close to the threshold where you can actually feel an improvement. It can also cause artifacts at times — not something I really notice in normal use, but it's certainly not "perfect" rendering — and it needs a minimum level of performance to be useful. Portal RTX at 24 fps on a 4090 gets 42 fps with Frame Generation enabled, but without upscaling, but it still feels like 24 fps. That's because the user input is still running at 24 fps.
Beyond DLSS 3, the benefits Ada Lovelace has to offer become a bit more nebulous. Take AV1 encoding. Yes, it's definitely better than H.264, and Ada can do the encoding pretty fast. But from what I've seen, AV1 is no better than HEVC (H.265), and the only reason AV1 exists is to try and create a royalty free H.264 alternative. For personal use, it's basically a wash.
But pricing is where things really start to get messy. Yes, it's getting more expensive to manufacture GPUs on the latest process nodes from TSMC. How much more money does Nvidia have to spend to make a 4070 Ti and its associated AD104 GPU compared to the previous generation RTX 3080 12GB or 3080 Ti? I couldn't say for sure, but I'm sure it's more expensive, and Nvidia also has to recover its R&D costs. But we're still left with a 4070 Ti priced at $800 replacing the 3070 Ti that only cost $600 — and we didn't even love the 3070 Ti price in the first place!
Pouring salt on the wounds, inflation is real, and most figures will agree we've seen about a 15% increase over the past two years in the U.S. That means most people actually have less disposable income, which means spending even more money on a graphics card for gaming purposes becomes even less enticing. And with GPU cryptomining basically dead, you can't even use potential mining profits as an excuse for the upgrade.
At the same time, if Nvidia were to launch the 4070 Ti for $599, we can reasonably predict that scalpers would just buy up all the cards and then try to flip them for $800 or more regardless. I'd rather the additional $200 end up with Nvidia and its partners than give it to eBay and scalpers. Still, there's a lot of pain in seeing the previous "upper midrange" or "lower high-end" 70-class models push into $800+ territory, and a lot of gamers are going to simply say no.
So who is the RTX 4070 Ti for? Rich gamers that aren't too rich, maybe? Or rich gamers that didn't already upgrade to an RTX 3080 or faster card some time in the past year or two? People with enough disposable income to buy a high performance graphics card, but not enough disposable income to chase the RTX 4080 and 4090? These are all possibilities, but none of them seem like they'd describe a lot of potential buyers.
If you don't already have a high-end graphics card, or if you've been sitting on something like a GTX 10-series waiting for prices to come down and are finally ready to pony up for a new card, the RTX 4070 Ti at $800 is at least a reasonable option. Bang for the buck is a bit ahead of AMD's new RDNA 3 GPUs, and DLSS 3 may continue to improve. You also don't have to pretend ray tracing is bad, though we'd agree we still want to see more games where it really makes a noticeable difference in image quality.
The 4070 Ti isn't a bad card, and for some people it's probably not even a bad price. But it is expensive, and it doesn't offer a new level of performance. It's the same level of performance as the RTX 3090, more or less, with a lower starting price — over two years after the 3090 launched. It's the best $800 graphics card currently available, but we can't help but feel a lot of people won't really feel enticed to fork over $800 for this level of GPU.
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Prev Page GeForce RTX 4070 Ti: Power, Clocks, Temps, Fans, and NoiseJarred Walton is a senior editor at Tom's Hardware focusing on everything GPU. He has been working as a tech journalist since 2004, writing for AnandTech, Maximum PC, and PC Gamer. From the first S3 Virge '3D decelerators' to today's GPUs, Jarred keeps up with all the latest graphics trends and is the one to ask about game performance.
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sabicao Admin said:Our GeForce RTX 4070 Ti testing reveals good performance and efficiency, but this is a large jump in generational pricing that will displease many gamers. It's barely faster than the previous generation RTX 3080 Ti and 3080 12GB, at a relatively similar price, with DLSS 3 being the potential grace.
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I really do feel Toms', Anand and all the other highly regarded tech sites have an obligation to express how stupid these prices are. Sure, we the customers have to use our voice by not buying, but you Sirs should be witing in every review how wrong all these new price points are. Newcomers cannot be led to believe that it is ok for a x70 series to cost 700 bucks. No freaking way. -
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Do you not know what "almost" means? And while some would take "palatable" to mean really tasty, that's not the way I normally use it. I use it more as "acceptable but not awesome." I wouldn't call an excellent dinner "palatable," I'd say it was delicious or some other word that means I really like it. Taco Bell is palatable, for example. So is Wendy's. But neither is great, just like an $800 replacement that's only moderately faster than the outgoing $800 cards.oofdragon said:The price is Not almost palatable, stop trying to sell this nonsense -
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They're only "wrong" when everyone refuses to pay them. Unfortunately, we're being shown time and time again that there are apparently enough people willing to spend $800 for this level of performance that we'll continue to see them. As stated in the conclusion, if Nvidia had tried to sell this as a $600 card, or a $500 card, and then scalpers just snapped them all up and asked for $800 or more, we'd be right back where we started. Except then we'd have scalpers contributing nothing and taking a chunk of the profits.sabicao said:I really do feel Toms', Anand and all the other highly regarded tech sites have an obligation to express how stupid these prices are. Sure, we the customers have to use our voice by not buying, but you Sirs should be witing in every review how wrong all these new price points are. Newcomers cannot be led to believe that it is ok for a x70 series to cost 700 bucks. No freaking way.
So yeah, don't buy a $800 card if you don't want to spend that much. Wait for prices to come down, or go with a cheaper and slower alternative. But if others keep paying a lot more than you're willing to pay, nothing is going to change. -
hannibal Cheaper than expected…Reply
Lets see what real price end up after two to tree weeks… when those few ”cheap” MSRP GPUs run out… $1200? -
Elusive Ruse Hmmm, appreciate the review Jared, yet I gotta object to your "almost" endearing tone and conclusion. Also, you insist that this is an $800 card, yet the TUF gaming you reviewed here reportedly costs $850.Reply -
peachpuff "Portal RTX at 24 fps on a 4090 gets 42 fps with Frame Generation enabled, but without upscaling, but it still feels like 24 fps. That's because the user input is still running at 24 fps."Reply
Wow really? Never knew this, interesting tidbit. -
-Fran- Thanks for the review!Reply
This is a big can of "meh; pass". Much like with the 7900XT. Ironically, the 7900XTX made the 4080-16GB look better and now nVidia returning the hand, making the 7900XT less stupid. They're still both in stupid territory, though.
I mostly agree with everything, so nothing more to add, really. Maybe just the mention this card won't have an FE (as I've read and heard), so the first batch of $800 cards will last whatever the AIBs want them to be on shelves. Which, I'm sure, won't be long. This card will be over $850 for sure.
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Loadedaxe sabicao said:I really do feel Toms', Anand and all the other highly regarded tech sites have an obligation to express how stupid these prices are. Sure, we the customers have to use our voice by not buying, but you Sirs should be witing in every review how wrong all these new price points are. Newcomers cannot be led to believe that it is ok for a x70 series to cost 700 bucks. No freaking way.
He did say it. In the title.
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Review: A Costly 70-Class GPU
Open up your wallet and say ouch
He said it professionally, many times through out his review. I am going to assume you didn't read the whole review, so maybe you should, its there.
These cards are palatable, because most plebs pay for them. As long as everyone keeps paying these prices, Nvidia is going to keep charging them. If you all want gpu prices lower, skip a gen or two, speak with your money, not your mouth. -
DavidLejdar Seems a bit weak-ish for 4K gaming, and there are cheaper GPUs, which work fine for 1440p gaming. It still has quite some performance, and the 4K FPS are not bad as such. The numbers just don't convince me that it wouldn't drop below 60 (real) FPS at 4K with the next round of game releases, so I wouldn't pick it up for 4K at that price.Reply
And scalpers sure may be an issue, but if the RTX 4070 Ti is meant as "the entry-level GPU for 4K gaming, or for top 1440p gaming", then it wouldn't necessarily be a miscalculation if it would be produced in higher numbers, so that scalpers would have a garage full of them while they still would be in-stock at the retailers.