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Rumor has it Intel is set to drop its prices as well as introduce new processor models. If they come to fruition, some CPUs could see price drops of up to 20 percent.
According to DigiTimes, Intel is also said to be rolling out new processors next month. Reports say April 19 will see the launch of the Q8400 (95W) and Q8400S (65W), both clocked to 2.66 GHz but priced at $183 and $245, respectively.
The same report, which cites sources at motherboard manufacturers says that we’ll see more processors introduced at the end of May, including Celeron and Pentium Dual-Core parts, the Core 2 Duo E7600 and two new Core i7s: the 3.06 GHz 950 and the 3.33 GHz 975, priced at $562 and $999, respectively. The news comes just a couple of months after Intel dropped the prices on several processors significantly, with some of the cuts amounting to as much as 48 percent. The company's Celeron Mobile 570, Core 2 Quad Q9650 and Xeon X3370 all saw cuts of over 40 percent.
Here’s a full list of the aforementioned price drops and new releases, courtesy of DigiTimes. For the list of January's price slashing click here.
| CPU | Old Price | New Price | Reduction |
|---|---|---|---|
| April 19 | |||
Core 2 Quad Q8400 (2.66GHz) | N/A | $183 | N/A |
Core 2 Quad Q8400S (2.66GHz) | N/A | $245 | N/A |
Core 2 Quad Q9300 | $266 | $213 | 19.92% |
Core 2 Quad Q9550S | $369 | $320 | 13.28% |
Core 2 Quad Q9400S | $320 | $277 | 13.44% |
Core 2 Quad Q8200S | $245 | $213 | 13.0% |
| May 31 | |||
Core i7-975 (3.33GHz) | N/A | $999 | N/A |
Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) | N/A | $562 | N/A |
Core 2 Duo E7600 | N/A | $133 | N/A |
Pentium Dual-Core E6300 | N/A | $84 | N/A |
Pentium Dual-Core E6300 | N/A | $53 | N/A |
| July 19 | |||
Core 2 Quad Q8300 | $183 | $163 | 10.93% |
Core 2 Duo E7500 | $133 | $113 | 15.04% |
Pentium Dual-Core E5400 | $84 | $74 | 11.9% |
Pentium Dual-Core E5300 | $74 | $64 | 13.51% |
Celeron Dual-Core E1500 | $53 | $43 | 18.87% |
Source : Tom's Hardware US
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Can someone tell Intel that they don't have to use weird frequencies any more since the cpu speed isn't tied to a quad-pump fsb? Please?
They based QuickPath on a 133Mhz bus, so the weird frequencies will continue.
whats weird about it? and why care about a clock speed?
i was hoping for a q9650 drop... man i really wanna hit 4ghz...
Good that price drops are coming, but its still not competitive with Phenom II 940...I'm still using that for my friend's next build.
Hmmm, Intel announces price drop on April 19th, right after AMD announced their 3.2 GHz Phenom II X4 955 to drop on April 20th. Competition is a very good thing.
What's up with Pentium Dual-Core E6300? Not long ago I owned a Core 2 Duo E6300? Intel running out of fancy numbers?
Seems like a bit of desperation, especially since they're trying to revoke AMDs x86 license right now. Intellectual property laws need an overhaul, things like code and electrical engineering weren't even conceived of when these laws were first written, we'd be so much better off if Intel wasn't holding the computer world for ransom with their stupid x86 patents. I for one, won't buy another Intel product, ever.
Intel has no chance against Phenom II. At least for the price of the platform, just bury your oldie 775 and bring the i5.
It's just stupid to pay so much for the "premium" of energy efficiency.
Q9300 2.5Ghz $213
Q8200 2.33Ghz $213
PII 940 3ghz $210~
E7300 $113
PII 710 $124
No chance in hell.
nocommajustno
You're right, x86 need to be opened. If intel fear AMD's comeback, they scream in pain with future ARM(no pun intended) offers in netbooks.
That and their monopolistic ways imposing their cpu's to vendors, and also you can see that in the educational world. Seeing an AMD cpu in that places is like trying to see a Dodo dancing lambada with Tazmanian Tigers.
I was about to say the same think Nintendork. When you compare performance and price, they needed to reduce the Q9550 to $230, yet its $100 over that.
If Intel will cut AMD the entrance to x86, they might get it from Via.
And if they don't they will need to come up with another architecture, which might be similar to better.
Then AMD will become totally independent on intel,and Intel might shoot itself in the leg; especially if there will be companies providing support for this newer technology.
Besides, AMD theoretically is still allowed to run x86 in simulation,without paying Intel a single penny.
If AMD starts working together with via or samsung on a CPU architecture, they could deny Intel connection to the architecture as well!
So as long as AMD will be strong enough to survive, it can do more damage then you'd expect to Intel.
Plus, it might get rid of Microsoft as well, by using a Linux based operating system, something MS would probably never do.
But a market like this is no longer a healthy competitive market, but more like a market to promote monopoly, something absolutely forbidden in Europe. So the European market will take notice, and probably bring it to court.
Intel has no chance against Phenom II. At least for the price of the platform, just bury your oldie 775 and bring the i5.It's just stupid to pay so much for the "premium" of energy efficiency.Q9300 2.5Ghz $213Q8200 2.33Ghz $213PII 940 3ghz $210~E7300 $113PII 710 $124No chance in hell.
Why bury my 775 when Q9400 for $214@ewiz.com overclocks to 4.0Ghz on air and whoops your Phenom II butt? I bet you can't do that with AMD without liquid cooling and 1.6+V. And clock for clock Q9XXX beats any Phenom II.
Why bury my 775 when Q9400 for $214@ewiz.com overclocks to 4.0Ghz on air and whoops your Phenom II butt? I bet you can't do that with AMD without liquid cooling and 1.6+V. And clock for clock Q9XXX beats any Phenom II.
Dude not everyone overclock they pc. That's the one separate enthusiast from mainstream.
So does that mean the i7 940 at ~300$? I'd buy an i5 940 if it's available at that price point. I wish someone could do some benchies with GCC 4.3 and Core 2's P II's and core i7 's with SSE 4 and SSE 3, that would be nice for a linux user like me who compiles things. Since P II support's very little of SSE 4 and has it's own separate commands, it'd be nice to see how it turns out. Maybe then I can recommend Intel to someone for it's SSE 4 and power efficiency?
I would like to see a price drop on the E8600/E8500
Pentium Dual-Core E6300 is listed twice
Why have a 3.06 and a 3.33, friggin retarded marketing if you ask me. Why come out with a Pentium Dual core E6300 when they already had a C2D E6300? Makes no sense. Quad prices are still way to high to compete with the Phenom 2 940 which is already below $200, 3ghz and overclocks to 3.6-3.8 easily and works in peoples existing AM2+ mobos. Intel is going to lose market share with this strategy.
although a lot of you are praising the phenom, don't forget the art of conformity...
and don't forget the fact a bajillion people have lga775 sockets.. ;]
maybe my next computer will be amd, if this price pwnge continues
Athlon X4 will be dirt cheap.
all intel needs to do is release a cheap i7 motherboard and things will even out whether or not they will do that remains to b seen
@megabuster: I'm sure that there are people out there dumb enough to believe that every Intel chip OCs to 4ghz, but those of us who aren't stupid know that < 5% can actually break 4ghz, if anything PhII 940 is probably has the best chance of any chip out there. 3.6 or maybe 3.8 is doable for Intel, and all but a given with PhII with a decent cooler. If it was so damn easy to break the mythical 4ghz barrier, Dell wouldn't have had so many problems with their stock 4ghz OC desktop, note that they were having a very hard time getting enough q6600s that could actually do it.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read someone make a comment like that.
You obviously haven't personally had any experience with overclocking Intel Q6XXX or Q9XXX series. I currently have a Q6600 G0 with fairly cheap Zalman 9700 $45 on a budget Gigabyte P35DS3L running at 3.8Ghz. If you need proof I do have a video on youtube. As far as Q9XXX chips are much easier to OC to 4Ghz. As far as Dell having problems with their OC that's an entirely different issue.
@megabuster: I'm sure that there are people out there dumb enough to believe that every Intel chip OCs to 4ghz, but those of us who aren't stupid know that < 5% can actually break 4ghz, if anything PhII 940 is probably has the best chance of any chip out there. 3.6 or maybe 3.8 is doable for Intel, and all but a given with PhII with a decent cooler. If it was so damn easy to break the mythical 4ghz barrier, Dell wouldn't have had so many problems with their stock 4ghz OC desktop, note that they were having a very hard time getting enough q6600s that could actually do it.I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read someone make a comment like that.
You obviously haven't personally had any experience with overclocking Intel Q6XXX or Q9XXX series. I currently have a Q6600 G0 with fairly cheap Zalman 9700 $45 on a budget Gigabyte P35DS3L running at 3.8Ghz. If you need proof I do have a video on youtube. As far as Q9XXX chips are much easier to OC to 4Ghz. As far as Dell having problems with their OC that's an entirely different issue.
On another note, I've been trying to find the benchmarks of an OC Phenom II 940 since the chip became available on the market. I finally found a screenshot of a Phenom II 940@3.85Ghz VID 1.55V that had a CPU score of 5k in 3dmark06 in Windows XP. It wouldn't clock any higher without LN2 or He cooling. When I ran the same benchmark on Vista x64 on Q6600@3.8Ghz I got CPU score of 5k also. SO for a 2 year old 65nm Intel CPU to do that to a new AMD CPU is just embarrasing.
I used to be AMD owner since the Thunderbird to FX60 series but I've converted to Intel. I would gladly switch to AMD if performance/price ratio was in their favor. Including overclocking.
You can't overclock a Q9*** intel chip past 3.8Ghz easily. Why to buy a Q6600 now when you have the 940 for few dollars more and don't to overclock to have it at 3Ghz.
And...
Do you play with 3dmark or with any synthetic benchmark? NO
Then why to buy and i7 when the almighty Q6600 do the same with overclock, the answer:
The chip is old, simple as that. No one in their right mind eoul buy a Q6600 this days.
I didn't say you need to buy Q6600 or Q9XXX. All I did is compare the performance of the new processors to the old one. If you haven't upgraded your PC in the last 2 years and are building a new system looking to be able to upgrade in the next 2 years then go ahead and buy yourself a i7 or a Phenom II with DDD3 etc. As for me I will be happy with my PC for another 1.5-2 years.
And that's no bad. We are in the quad-core era and until we reach the octcores almost no one will sea a noticeable difference between any quad between 3-4Ghz even if it's and i7.
What's up with Pentium Dual-Core E6300? Not long ago I owned a Core 2 Duo E6300? Intel running out of fancy numbers?
And are they re-releasing the Core 2 Duo E6300 as this Pentium Dual-Core E6300 or is it a different chip? Didn't the E6XX0 series have 4mb cache and why does the E7XX0 series only have 3mb cache? How is the performance difference?
The two lower-end E6X00 CPUs in the initial series only had 2MB cache. I was using a E6300 until three weeks ago.
You can't overclock a Q9*** intel chip past 3.8Ghz easily. Why to buy a Q6600 now when you have the 940 for few dollars more and don't to overclock to have it at 3Ghz.And...Do you play with 3dmark or with any synthetic benchmark? NOThen why to buy and i7 when the almighty Q6600 do the same with overclock, the answer:The chip is old, simple as that. No one in their right mind eoul buy a Q6600 this days.
The Q9550 will EASILY hit 3.7-3.8GHz, and with a good cooler, 4GHz is within reach. From what I hear, the Q9650 hits 4GHz quite routinely. Also from what I hear, the Phenom II has a hard time getting over about 3.7-3.8GHz in most cases. Basically, you should get some experience with the Intel chips before badmouthing them - the Core 2 Quad 45nm line is an excellent series of CPUs, and I would recommend them for anyone on somewhat of a budget (which would eliminate i7 as a possibility).