Redditor quoted absurd $11,000 labor fee for $4,000 PC build — bemused customer questions $6,300 labor, $4,700 pre-project labor, and $4,000 cancellation fee
The builder specializes in custom PCs with elaborate aesthetics, but 280 hours of labor is probably a bit excessive.
Building a PC can be a pain in the butt, especially if you're not an experienced builder, and doubly so if you want a personalized machine. That's exactly why boutiques like Falcon Northwest and Maingear exist; they'll build you a machine tuned for high performance out of the box and personalized in all kinds of ways. There are a lot of smaller boutique builders, too, but standards and practices vary a lot. Take the case of this Redditor, New_Midnight2686, who got quoted for a custom build and was asked to pay over $11,000 USD in labor fees for a PC worth $3,849, bringing the total cost to almost $15,000.
Now look, we understand the reality of being a boutique PC vendor. It's hard to find customers, and it's hard to explain the value of your work. Why would someone buy a PC from you when they can walk down the street to Walmart and buy a pre-boxed Lenovo system that will probably do most of the same things for half the price? Your author, in particular, ran his own boutique shop for a time and is well acquainted with these questions.
However, the invoice that the Redditor shared includes charges for four full-time weeks of labor to build the PC. If you're reading Tom's Hardware, you've probably built your own PC before, or seen someone else do it. In the very worst possible case, it might take you a week to get a PC built, like if you end up needing an obscure cable or custom part. The idea of taking an entire month of full-time work weeks — 160 billable hours — seems frankly absurd, even considering all of the custom art that goes into this particular builder's systems.
That's not even the extent of the absurdity, though. This builder also apparently charges for an additional three weeks of labor—again, at 40 hours per week—flagged as pre-production. There is certainly some pre-production that has to go into intricate PC builds like this, with the sugary customized aesthetics that the builder uses, but count us dubious at the thought of it taking a full 120 hours to design and plan.
Even that doesn't fully capture the completely gonzo nature of the system's pricing. The builder lists prices for the individual parts that are, let's say, "pessimistic"—even relative to retail pricing, to say nothing of wholesale vendor pricing. $3,849 is the price given for the parts, which include a 7900X and an RTX 4080. We parted out a similar build using their native UK pricing and came out about £500 GBP ahead for what are, in some cases, actually better parts. On top of all this, the Redditor claims that if you decline the quote you are given, the builder demands a $4,000 cancellation fee.
Many people in the Reddit thread, posted today by /u/New_Midnight2686, are referring to the builder as a 'scammer,' going so far as to claim that the labor fees are an outright grift. There's a fine line between a premium, customized product and a con operation, and which side of that line this kind of thing falls on is often up to the observer; many people feel the same way about luxury goods like Rolex watches, for example. In this case, however, we're talking about a practical item; essentially, a tool. The pricing quoted for what is honestly not one of the best gaming PCs possible is almost impossible to justify.
Instead, this story serves as a reminder that if you offer something unique, someone will pay for it—and also as a reminder that Paper Collar Joe was right.
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chaos215bar2 ReplyThere's a fine line between a premium, customized product and a con operation, and which side of that line this kind of thing falls on is often up to the observer; many people feel the same way about luxury goods like Rolex watches, for example.
Yeah, no. This is an outright scam. The labor fees don't make sense and the cancellation fee is absolutely impossible to justify.
Setting the downright absurd labor fees aside for a moment, the right way to handle custom case work is a nonrefundable commission fee, not a usurious cancellation fee. The quote is already deceptive with that aspect. Add in the labor fees and it's clear the builder either doesn't want the job and is trying to charge go away money, which really isn't a good look, or they think their customers are idiots and don't understand what they're buying.
This builder is extremely lucky the customer didn't decide to share their name. -
DougMcC Reply
It's not like you couldn't justify such a thing though. Maybe the case comes with hand painted one of a kind murals, you could easily spend hundreds of hours in labor planning and executing on a pc case.chaos215bar2 said:Yeah, no. This is an outright scam. The labor fees don't make sense and the cancellation fee is absolutely impossible to justify.
Setting the downright absurd labor fees aside for a moment, the right way to handle custom case work is a nonrefundable commission fee, not a usurious cancellation fee. The quote is already deceptive with that aspect. Add in the labor fees and it's clear the builder either doesn't want the job and is trying to charge go away money, which really isn't a good look, or they think their customers are idiots and don't understand what they're buying.
This builder is extremely lucky the customer didn't decide to share their name. -
JamesJones44 A week is stretching it for sure, these days if nothing goes wrong it's a couple of hours to piece together your own PC build. If your extra and need to have clean cabling everywhere it might take an extra hour or two. Where I usually get bitten is with Windows drivers, but given we are late cycle with AMD/Intel chipsets and Nvidia GPUs that typically isn't a problem. Early cycle is another story.Reply
I get that there is some case customizing and cable customizing going on here, but still, I don't see this taking more than a day to complete, especially if that is all you are working on. -
chaos215bar2 Reply
Sure, absolutely. This does not appear to be anything close to the level of work needed to justify that kind of pricing, though.DougMcC said:It's not like you couldn't justify such a thing though. Maybe the case comes with hand painted one of a kind murals, you could easily spend hundreds of hours in labor planning and executing on a pc case.
And the problem isn't so much the fee as the hours quoted. If a builder thinks they can get away with charging $200/hour, I don't really have a problem with that. If they're quoting 4x the number of hours it should generously take to build something like this, that's a problem.
Commissioned art (because that's what this is) deserves a fair fee, but you've still got to be honest about the work involved and what your customer is actually paying for. -
Sluggotg Am I missing something? The picture of the estimate does not list a storage device of any kind. He wants you to pay $15,000 for the computer and it has no hard drive? So you have to install Windows and the drivers yourself. There is no listing of custom art, gold plating, gems or bags of Blow coming with it. I think the guy is pure and simple a Con Man.Reply
Like most of the people reading this, I have built too many computers to remember. When someone wants a High End Prebuilt it is expected to be expensive. (Falcon and others no doubt have customers that fry their CPUs or Video Cards with excessive Over Clocking, resulting in Falcon having to repair them under warranty). It is a given you are paying for the Warranty and Customer Service if you are having a problem. $15 grand is just beyond reason. -
Notton Custom exterior parts (3d printed?), custom vinyl wraps, custom cables, custom water cooling loop, everything custom color matched...Reply
Yeah, I can see why it's $11,000 in labor. -
mike.stavola I've put 40 hours of labor into a computer build before. Those systems turned out looking like works if art in comparison to what this builder was selling, and I never charged more than $1000 for my work.Reply
The last high end custom job I did had a stained glass side panel. But like, real stained glass. And the rest was made of white walnut and ebony. It took me almost a month to do. And I sold it for $900. -
Jabberwocky79 As a freelance creative (not in PC building, mind you), I have to push back on several opinions here. The buyer is the one who determines if something is overpriced or not, NO ONE else. It boils down to how much value individuals place on something bespoke. If it's not for you, fine. Is the builder a scammer? Maybe, I'm not here to debate that. But just because you or I wouldn't pay that amount doesn't automatically make them one.Reply
There is a quote that says “If I do a job in 30 minutes, it’s because I spent 10 years learning how to do that job in 30 minutes. You owe me for the years, not the minutes.” And for that reason, hours-based pricing is stupid. Why would an expert who can get things done fast want to make less money because of their speed? Conversely, if you want to charge a very high price, it should be based on expertise, NOT time. If anything, I would be coaching this PC builder to adjust the way they present their invoice so as not to show time increments. -
Jabberwocky79 Reply
If $900 was enough to justify your time investment and made you happy, that's fine. But just because you sold your labor for that price doesn't make this other builder wrong for charging more. Speaking for my industry, some freelancers are bad with charging clients a fair wage, and to justify their lack of ability to command higher prices, they claim it as a moral victory for charging below their worth. 'This person is charging a crazy amount... I'm charging a lower price so I'm a better person.' - Maybe one person is more moral than the other, but that rarely has anything to do with pricing.mike.stavola said:I've put 40 hours of labor into a computer build before. Those systems turned out looking like works if art in comparison to what this builder was selling, and I never charged more than $1000 for my work.
The last high end custom job I did had a stained glass side panel. But like, real stained glass. And the rest was made of white walnut and ebony. It took me almost a month to do. And I sold it for $900. -
CJMAXiK This redditor most likely has no association with this commission. The spreadsheet screenshot is very familiar. If I am not mistaken, it was a commission for a charity auction item by VTuber named Dokibird. The whole situation was even crazier than these prices.Reply