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Benchmarks: Supreme Commander 2

Comparison: Factory-Overclocked Versus Reference Graphics

Supreme Commander 2 supports high zoom levels, allowing you to be in the middle of the action, or using a tactical battlefield overview. Be sure to try the multi-player mode because it allows eight players with up to 500 buildings or battle units to fight each other. You can use the full spectrum of modern weaponry.

Performance testing with Supreme Commander 2 isn’t really easy, as the close 3D view will almost always run at 100 FPS. The tactical view is also rather smooth, and we’d need a huge number of units or a nuclear explosion to force the frame rate down.

We use a replay for benchmarking at a medium zoom level, at which the tactial display transitions into the 3D view. AA and AF do not reduce performance significantly, which is why we use 8x anti-aliasing and 16x anisotropic filtering. Graphics and one CPU core run at full load (indicating a lack of processor threading optimizations), while the other CPU cores hover around 10%.

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    chrissmartin , July 25, 2010 11:30 AM
    i will buy a normal card with good cooling and overclock it.
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    rohitbaran , July 25, 2010 11:59 AM
    Too less performance gain (4-5 FPS) for the too much extra price paid ($50-$70) along with too much increase in power consumption (30-40 W. Better to buy a reference card unless you want the best no matter what the price is.
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    Mark Heath , July 25, 2010 12:53 PM
    I like the idea behind the article and I'm glad that there's been some testing done on it, but I don't really like the article itself.

    There are references to how much the reference card is overclocked by, but there is no clear section about it, you started off with some of the summary charts, instead of putting them after the initial tests and you kept switching what cards you were comparing, with less warning than I would like..

    Plus there's that 2GB 5850. Is that really a 2GB 5850, or is it actually 2GB 5830, because it kept getting beaten by the 1GB 5850..

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    Onus , July 25, 2010 1:27 PM
    When I buy a new GPU, I look for one who's reference clocks make it "good enough" as-is; but I do look for a better / quieter cooler.
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    mrhoshos96 , July 25, 2010 2:01 PM
    great article but u should have compared the reference against the sapphire vapor-x
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    Tesla1483 , July 25, 2010 2:31 PM
    In order to their products apart, third-party vendors take reference GPUs...

    I'm guessing they meant "In order to SET their products apart..."
    Seriously, it's the first sentence in the article. Does no one proof read anything here? Isn't that like the first thing you learn when you want to become a writer? Sorry, rant over.
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    youssef 2010 , July 25, 2010 9:23 PM
    "This cooling concept works pretty well, as it not only provides effective graphics component cooling, but it also helps to remove warm air from the inside of your PC. "

    The reference 5870 has a vent on its side so, it doesn't completely remove the hot air from the case but recirculates a part of the hot air back into the case
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    duk3 , July 26, 2010 3:01 AM
    It's a 5850, look how close the framerates are.
    The amount of ram doesn't really matter at these resolutions.
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    LLJones , July 26, 2010 4:28 AM
    The cards just do not offer enough gain. If you can afford the overclock edition at a premium, then save up a little more and get the next card up or buy two of the next lower cards. The $1000+ dual 5870 from Asus shows what a complete waste of money some, not all, super OC cards are.

    Try this, put together a really really really premium card component wise, and then don't put any cooling on it. Let me decide what I am going to do for cooling and companies can save on packaging, shipping etc due to no cooler.

    If your really aiming at the OC crowd and not just playing a game of marketing, then you know the first thing someone does is to rip off your factory cooler to replace it or at the very least put quality thermal compound on it.
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    dEAne , July 26, 2010 6:34 AM
    I like this article, thanks tom.
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    bildo123 , July 26, 2010 4:25 PM
    jtt283When I buy a new GPU, I look for one who's reference clocks make it "good enough" as-is; but I do look for a better / quieter cooler.

    Best suggestion, wait for the manufacture to slap on some after market cooling and pay the extra for something useful. It wasn't like this in the past, but now-a-days they like putting on HSF setups that do a relatively poor job.
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    kirillian , July 26, 2010 5:11 PM
    You may not have noticed silicondoc, but this past year, NVIDIA really hasn't been bringing its A-game to the table, mostly trying to use marketing to make up for its failures...right now, Red really is performing better in a price/performance setting. There's really little that any honest individual can do to deny that, fan or Red OR's not Tom's Hardware that's falling down, it's NVIDIA at the moment. Maybe the next gen will be better, but no one knows yet.
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    kirillian , July 26, 2010 5:17 PM
    kirillianThere's really little that any honest individual can do to deny that, fan or Red OR Green...

    Edit: of Red OR Green...
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    Adroid , July 26, 2010 6:37 PM
    I have started buying cards from vendors that warranty overclock like EGVA. I paid 159$ for a GTX 260 216 core after rebate well over a year ago, then when I am gaming I use the EVGA precision tool to overclock it to the higher priced cards core / shader speed.

    Its funny because mine will do the exact speed as the factory "superclocked" card's settings at the press of a button - all under lifetime warranty.

    My card before this one was a Radeon, I'm a total unloyal customer. I'm sure they have some similar deals, but EVGA has definetely earned my business when it comes to Nvidia stuff...
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    firedust , July 26, 2010 9:01 PM
    I definitely would have liked to see the 460 on here. So far the reviews have been very good.
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    itpro , July 26, 2010 11:16 PM
    Wow, you nVidia uberfans really get your panties in a bunch over nothing! The premise of this article was valid: Comparing factory over clocked cards against standard cards. Yes, they chose to compare a mature product in the 5870 rather than a brand new to market nVidia, but the premise was still valid.

    Yes, some of us DO prefer ATI cards over nVidia. So what? For the last two years nVidia has done little more than offer up old cards with new model numbers on them trying to convince us that they were still a competitor, while ATI pushed the envelope in performance, price, and power efficiency. Even now, when nVidia has finally gotten their new chipset out the door and is finally offering a competitive performing card they are still too expensive for what you get and use enough juice to heat a small home.

    If nVidia spins your wheels, then that is fine with me. Personally, I have had more than enough of their crappy drivers and overheating cards to last me a life time.
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    d-block , July 27, 2010 12:18 AM
    What kind of moron puts a 5870 in a 32 bit machine? That test pc setup is complete garbage.
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    Sykar , July 27, 2010 12:42 AM
    d-blockWhat kind of moron puts a 5870 in a 32 bit machine? That test pc setup is complete garbage.

    more to the point, who the hell in their right mind buys/uses a 32-bit OS anyways?
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    randomizer , July 27, 2010 12:43 AM
    What kind of moron puts a 5870 in a 32 bit machine? That test pc setup is complete garbage.

    What kind of person thinks it would make a difference?
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    Poisoner , July 27, 2010 4:52 PM
    silicondockirillian, you sad, sad person. Every website in the world has declared the GTX460 the current best bang for the buck PERIOD. You talk about honesty, yet you post the most blatantly dishonest crap of the day one from the red team could cook up. What a sick joke. Just forget it, live in your insane fantasy world of lies and be happy. My God.

    Wow, you must be off your meds. Tom's just posted an article about the awesome SLI scaling of the 460, although it was a week late. I also believe that the lastest graphics card chart came before the GTX 460, although the other GF400s are on the chart.

    As far as the 480 and the 470, I don't think they use that much more power than previous generation cards, or create that much more heat either. I'd say that EVERY review site under rates the higher end Fermi cards. No one seems to get that besides gaming, they are absolute folding MONSTERS. If I folded, I wouldn't use anything less than a 470. To bad nVidia doesn't have an AMD chipset that was in my price range when I was buying a motherboard.
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