Asus quotes customer $3,350 repair bill for RTX 5090 with microscopic 'surface irregularity', more than the entire card's value — offers 50% discount after months of haggling
When it comes to graphics card RMAs, even if you're the owner of one of the best graphics cards, it doesn't always go smoothly. Reddit user kromz shared his ongoing experience with RMAing an ROG Astral GeForce RTX 5090 graphics card, revealing that Asus declined to honor the warranty due to a small crack near the PCIe locking tab.
According to the owner of the GeForce RTX 5090, intermittent blank screens and system reboots had been persisting in the system where the Blackwell flagship was installed. After diagnosing the issue as stemming from their ROG Astral GeForce RTX 5090, the Reddit user sent the graphics card to Asus for RMA. However, the company reportedly declined the warranty, citing a "surface irregularity." It appears that Asus identified a small crack near the PCB edge tab area, which is not visible to the naked eye and was only detectable through microscopic examination. The company attributes it to customer damage.
ASUS Asking for $4661 to repair RTX 5090 ASTRAL due to "surface irregularity" from r/ASUS
The ROG Astral GeForce RTX 5090, measuring 14.1 x 5.9 x 3 inches (357.6 x 149.3 x 76 mm), is a heavyweight, weighing 6.6 pounds (3.01 kg) on a scale. Needless to say, it's a monstrous graphics card, so it's vulnerable to damage if not handled or transported with appropriate caution. However, Kromz asserts that they installed the graphics card with meticulous care, consistently utilized the included support bracket, and refrained from relocating the system post-installation. "... all of that weight is supported by a single stress point on the PCB," they said. "Honestly, that’s a design flaw waiting to happen."
Asus reportedly quoted the user $4,661 CAD for a replacement graphics card, which translates to around $3,357 by today's exchange rate. That's more expensive than buying one. When in stock, the ROG Astral GeForce RTX 5090 sells for $3,299.99. Even in Canada, where computer hardware is often more expensive, the overclocked model retails for $4,059 CAD.
After several months of communication with Asus, the Redditor finally had the case escalated to Customer Service Supervisor Peggy Lee, who offered a 50% discount. While they are still seeking a more favorable resolution, a 50% discount could serve as an acceptable compromise if Asus remains firm in its stance. It's unlikely to find a GeForce RTX 5090 for $1,679 in the current market, as even Nvidia's Founders Edition retails for $1,999. However, the Redditor hasn't given up and has started exploring alternative solutions to achieve a better outcome.
There is a precedent concerning PCBs cracking on graphics cards. The issue arises because high-end graphics cards are becoming increasingly power-hungry, requiring more robust solutions with each generation. The additional weight places greater strain on the PCIe connector, particularly on the PCB edge tab, which has been a weak point in some Gigabyte graphics cards from a few years ago.
Gigabyte later updated the design of the PCIe locking tab by increasing its surface area. The manufacturer also reinforced PCIe slots on its motherboards to support graphics cards weighing up to 128 pounds. However, despite these improvements, there were still one or two instances of cracking on the graphics card's PCB.
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Dealing with RMA cases can be pretty challenging. One party often claims that the issue was due to user error, while the other side disagrees. Nobody wants to lose money. This particular case is isolated, meaning it's not a frequent occurrence. However, to prevent incidents like this from happening, chipmakers should focus on optimizing their flagship products. This way, partners will not need to release heavy graphics cards that weigh as much as a clay brick.
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ezst036 I don't think the quote is necessarily unreasonable. I'm not sure Asus would always have a guy on tap doing repairs like this, they probably often times send cards back to Nvidia themselves for rework.Reply
I honestly don't know.
But if they have to find a repair guy, then pay the repair guy so many hours to disassemble the card and individually remove all the components, then use the new PCB to re-assemble with the individual components, bake the card, and then a bunch of testing.
Asus probably has more rules for itself (or rules by Nvidia) that it has to confirm in regards to testing hours to confirm proper operation. Let's say its 5-10 hours.
How much is 10 hours of testing going to cost on top of a complete work over of tiny surface mount components, twice? Someone is probably going to get paid to game after a few specific confirmation tests. -
hotaru251 Reply
nvidia has no connection to this issue as its a AIB design (and a halo tier one at that)Gururu said:Sue nVidia. -
snemarch Reply
If a company does bonkers product design that fails under totally reasonable normal use, these should be forced to bear the entire cost of making the customer good – including shipping. If the failure rate is above some reasonable percentage, they should be forced to do a **full recall**.ezst036 said:I don't think the quote is necessarily unreasonable. I'm not sure Asus would always have a guy on tap doing repairs like this, they probably often times send cards back to Nvidia themselves for rework.
The amount of issues there's been with GPUs since the introduction of the 12VHPWR connector was introduced is unacceptable – from the insanely ill-designed connector itself, to companies skimping out on components for power balancing and monitoring to save a few dollars, to designs that just aren't structurally sound.
And for this to happen on a halo product, with the added insult of "lol, jokes on you, pay up for a new card" is... mind-boggling.
Guess I should buy some stock in torch and pitchfork businesses. -
bigdragon Looks like the GPU vendors will do anything to screw over gamers. Be on alert for them to start dropping out of the consumer market to focus on AI and data center customers instead. Micron is probably the first of several to shun the consumer market.Reply
As for this microscopic defect, that looks like a manufacturing defect to me. A GPU is supposed to tolerate being physically installed and uninstalled several times during its lifespan. The defect also looks unrelated to the problem with the card meaning that the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act should apply. Not sure if they have something like that in Canada though. -
Starrbuck My ASUS TUF RX 7900 XTX has been on and off at least three motherboards and multiple times at that. No damage. TUF indeed! This is either poor handling by the owner or poor PCB quality by ASUS, or both. Sucks to be him. Live and learn. Make better decisions.Reply -
thewool3 Don't waste your time arguing with these parasites.Reply
Take them straight to your small claims court (vcat if in vic). Simple and cheap. No lawyers. You'll get you a refund and costs. 100%. -
Starrbuck Reply
Small claims court or charge-back on your credit card if it was soon enough.thewool3 said:Don't waste your time arguing with these parasites.
Take them straight to your small claims court (vcat if in vic). Simple and cheap. No lawyers. You'll get you a refund and costs. 100%. -
Adrian the Alchemist The "right to repair" in the UK/EU still means most of the time it costs more to repair than get newReply
My wife dropped her3 year old ASUS laptop in October and the damage was Laptop screen and the backlight cost £770 to repair and ASUS did not have any parts in UK
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Although I am wary about using ASUS in the future and the only reason I got my mesh network from them as there wasn't any subscription services baked into their routers yet