Framework Desktop review: AMD's Strix Halo in a petite, powerful, pricey PC

The Framework Desktop is strong and charming, but you have to pay a lot to get it up and running.

Framework Desktop
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Tom's Hardware Verdict

The Framework desktop is small and powerful, even for 1080p gaming. But for the price, you can get a full-on gaming rig with discrete graphics.

Pros

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    Strong 1080p performance on integrated graphics

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    Fun and customizable

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    Small footprint fits easily on a desk

Cons

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    Expensive

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    Required to buy tiles to decorate the chassis

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    PSU cable not included

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    Not as upgradeable as traditional desktops

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When Framework built its first laptop, it was with the ethos of a desktop: repairable, customizable, and upgradable when new parts came out. Now, Framework has a desktop of its own.

But the Framework Desktop ($1,599 as tested before a myriad of components and add-ons), isn't a traditional PC by any means. Using an AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 “Strix Halo” APU with soldered RAM, the customization options on this desktop are limited to storage, Wi-Fi, your case fan, and some decorative elements. The soldered RAM is effectively required for the bandwidth this system needs, and the mix of powerful graphics and plentiful RAM is why Framework is pushing this as an AI system.

The Desktop has a ton of charm, from its 4.5-liter size to its surprising power with the right configuration. But it's also very expensive compared to the best gaming PCs in its price range, and if you don't use all of the RAM, you might be better off with a cheaper system.

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  • ottonis
    While it may seem that soldered RAM is antithetical to Framework's product philosophy, one need to have in mind that replaceable RAM moduels would entirely defeat the purpose of a Strix Halo CPU/APU, which NEEDS super-fast and super large memory bandwidth in order to feed both iGPU (by allocating the system RAM as VRAM) and the CPU.
    This system is a dream come true for sound engineers and composers juggling with Gigabytes worth of sample libraries and massive orchestral pieces. Templates for the notation sofware Steinnberg Dorico with a massive orchestral library such as EastWest Hollywood Orchestra already take up 70-80 GB of RAM.

    The other use case is AI training/tuning where large amounts of memory (e.g.128 GB), most of which can be allocated to the GPU, is critical for large LLMs with many billions of parameters. Even if the GPU itself may not be the fastest, computation will drastically benefit from these large amounts of ultra fast memory that can be used as VRAM. Imagine having a modern RTX card with like 96 GB of VRAM. That alone would probably cost 10.000- 15.000 USD, if not more.
    So people who want to tinker with larger LLMs at home, orchestral composers etc will be drooling over this system.
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  • Antiphonal
    ottonis said:
    While it may seem that soldered RAM is antithetical to Framework's product philosophy, one need to have i mind, that replaceable RAM moduels would entirely defeat the purpose of a Strix Halo CPU(APU, which NEEDS super-fast and super large memory bandwiidth in order to feed both iGPU (by allocating the system RAM as VRAM) and the CPU.
    This system is a dream come true for sound engineers and composers juggling with Gigabytes worth of sample libraries and massive orchestral pieces. Templates for the notation sofware Steionberg Dorico with a massive orchestral library such as EastWest Hollywood ORchestra alreaty take up of 70-80 GB of RAM.

    The other use case is AI training/tuning where large amount of memory (e,g, 128 GB), most of which can be allocated to the GPU is critical for large LLM with dozens of billions of parameters. Even if the GPU itself may not be the fastest, computation will drastically benefit from these large amounts of memory that can be used as VRAM.
    So people who want to tinker with larger LLMs at home, orchestral composers etc will be drooling over this system.

    Totally agree. It seems strange to me to see a review focusing on FPS in gaming instead of the workloads this machines was meant to deliver.

    I'd like to see tokens/sec with one of the larger models (or even the new GPT-OSS 120B).
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  • Makaveli
    ottonis said:
    Imagine having a modern RTX card with like 96 GB of VRAM. That alone would probably cost 10.000- 15.000 USD, if not more.
    NV already sell this card the workstation model with 96GB of VRAM cost about 12k

    Antiphonal said:
    Totally agree. It seems strange to me to see a review focusing on FPS in gaming instead of the workloads this machines was meant to deliver.

    I'd like to see tokens/sec with one of the larger models (or even the new GPT-OSS 120B).

    This I was expecting to see some benchmarks from LM studio at the minimum not gaming.
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  • Notton
    If you compare the Framework to similarly priced desktops, the competition will win.
    But if you compare it to similarly sized desktops, you might see the value.
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  • pug_s
    Don't know the business model of Framework because most Desktop PC's parts are standard without proprietary parts from Framework.
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  • Notton
    pug_s said:
    Don't know the business model of Framework because most Desktop PC's parts are standard without proprietary parts from Framework.
    It uses standard parts.
    Mobo: mITX
    PSU: Flex ATX
    Fan: standard 120mm
    Heatsink: Proprietary, but there was no way a S1200/S1700/AM4/AM5 heatsink would have fit on this CPU.

    Here a more useful review for how the Framework handles computing workloads.
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    ETA Prime is not my first choice for gaming PC reviews, but this one was very useful because he compares it to mobile parts.
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  • nrdwka
    FW prices are comparable to others strix halo desktops, like gmktec.

    +1 for more workload testing instead of gaming.

    The point is what no other solution comparable to AMD's offer with that amount of vram at that price exist.

    would be nice to add what from amd testing the issues with non soldered ram is signal integrety (this subject was already covered by other outlet)

    I hope next gen can be used with camm2 modules.
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  • doomtomb
    Antiphonal said:
    Totally agree. It seems strange to me to see a review focusing on FPS in gaming instead of the workloads this machines was meant to deliver.
    No offense mate, but this was teased as a LAN gaming machine. Seems totally reasonable to me to test what it was designed for - an APU with iGPU strong enough to not need a dGPU.
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  • timecop1818
    wasn't CAMM memory modules supposed to resolve the high bandwidth wide bus problem?
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  • Roland Of Gilead
    ottonis said:
    While it may seem that soldered RAM is antithetical to Framework's product philosophy, one need to have in mind that replaceable RAM moduels would entirely defeat the purpose of a Strix Halo CPU/APU,
    Well, soldered ram is not in keeping with the framework ethos. I think that's the point. Having soldered ram just defeats the purpose.

    ottonis said:
    So people who want to tinker with larger LLMs at home, orchestral composers etc will be drooling over this system.
    This is kinda niche. I think those people would prefer to be able to upgrade the ram to whatever their needs might be. I think they'd be drooling more about that, rather than being limited by soldered ram.
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