Intel Xeon Phi Knights Landing Now Shipping; Omni Path Update, Too

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  • ScrewySqrl
    72 core / 288 threads.

    just what you need for playing solitaire :D
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  • utroz
    Socket P? Hmm I have an old laptop with a socket P cpu, T9400!!
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  • bit_user
    first processor with ... AVX-512 support.
    BTW, its predecessor also had 512-bit vector instructions, but of a slightly different flavor. I think AVX-512 might be inferior, due to the lack of fp-16 support. This will certainly put it at a disadvantage vs. the GP100, for certain machine learning applications.

    I want to see Intel put a 480+ core (20+ slice) GPU in a Socket-P, paired with an 8-core CPU and HBM. That would be probably be more competitive with GPUs.
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  • Paul Alcorn
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  • bit_user
    18154562 said:
    18154419 said:
    first processor with ... AVX-512 support.
    Not true. Its predecessor also had this.
    Actually, per Wiki "AVX-512 is not the first 512-bit SIMD instruction set that Intel has introduced in processors.
    I saw that. Already fixed. Check the last-edited timestamp.

    Anyway, what's with this?
    Each quad-threaded Silvermont core features two AVX-512 VPU (Vector Processing Units) per core, for a total of 288 VPU.
    If it's two per core, wouldn't it be 144 VPUs? And I think this would equate to 2304 "cores", as AMD and Nvidia would count them.

    IMO, Intel missed the boat, on machine learning. As you point out, Google is already beyond FPGAs. I predict they're already working on a hard-wired accelerator block, not unlike the QuickSink video accelerator block in their desktop & mobile GPUs.
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  • Paul Alcorn
    If it's two per core, wouldn't it be 144 VPUs? And I think this would equate to 2304 "cores", as AMD and Nvidia would count them.

    IMO, Intel missed the boat, on machine learning. As you point out, Google is already beyond FPGAs. I predict they're already working on a hard-wired accelerator block, not unlike the QuickSink video accelerator block in their desktop & mobile GPUs.

    Good catch, I got the number wrong :) Google is certainly nebulous, but it surely has something newer than its TPU in the works, or already deployed, as otherwise I doubt it would have shown the TPU.
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  • bit_user
    18154675 said:
    Google is certainly nebulous, but it surely has something newer than its TPU in the works, or already deployed, as otherwise I doubt it would have shown the TPU.
    I'm talking about Intel, though.

    It seems AVX-512 is missing half-precision floats, though their Gen9 HD Graphics and Nvidia's Pascal (and Maxwell, for that matter) have it. So, that puts Knights Landing at a disadvantage vs. GPUs. Then, consider that Google & others are even beyond FPGAs, for certain things, which it doesn't even have. So, if I were Intel, I'd be scrambling to build a dedicated machine learning engine into my next generation of chips (see Qualcomm's Zeroth engine).

    And, actually, the HD Graphics GPUs are pretty nice. So, I'd love to see them scale up & do more with that architecture.
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  • bit_user
    Wow, I just noticed they stuck with Silvermont! Rumors were they'd use a new Atom core - Goldmont. This is actually the most surprising detail, for me.
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  • turkey3_scratch
    18153662 said:
    72 core / 288 threads.

    just what you need for playing solitaire :D

    Minesweeper with 1 trillion boxes.
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  • Paul Alcorn
    18155141 said:
    18154675 said:
    Google is certainly nebulous, but it surely has something newer than its TPU in the works, or already deployed, as otherwise I doubt it would have shown the TPU.
    I'm talking about Intel, though.

    It seems AVX-512 is missing half-precision floats, though their Gen9 HD Graphics and Nvidia's Pascal (and Maxwell, for that matter) have it. So, that puts Knights Landing at a disadvantage vs. GPUs. Then, consider that Google & others are even beyond FPGAs, for certain things, which it doesn't even have. So, if I were Intel, I'd be scrambling to build a dedicated machine learning engine into my next generation of chips (see Qualcomm's Zeroth engine).

    And, actually, the HD Graphics GPUs are pretty nice. So, I'd love to see them scale up & do more with that architecture.

    I think that would be a good idea, it definitely should hardcode something a la QuickSync.
    In some odd way Intel seems to be setting itself up to compete against itself on the machine learning side. It has the KNL out, but it also purchased Altera to bring the FPGA on-die with Xeons, and judging from the early silicon they are teasing, it is well underway. I see that as a competitor of sorts to the KNL...but perhaps they are just tailoring for specific audiences.
    I have no idea how Zeroth managed to fly under my radar, some interesting reading for tonight!
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