Samsung Begins 3D XPoint Assault With Z-NAND SSDs And HybriDIMMs

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  • memadmax
    I like samsungs' approach with the HybriDIMM alot better than intel's, because intel is in cahoots with microsoft to lock down the system via tech corraling: "You want to run this hardware? Well then you have to run this microsoft operating system"...

    Get it? And you guys that are cheerleading microsoft and winblows 10 are might as well be the sheep in that corral...
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  • hannibal
    The support for X-point will arrive to Linux and iOS platforms too, so no worry in there. But hybriDimm works now, so it has merits on its own.
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  • epobirs
    Considering who the biggest customers for 3D Xpoint as memory are likely to be and that those same customer aren't likely to be building their systems for Windows Server, I very much doubt this is going to be locked into Wintel offerings. The use case for really big enterprise systems is far easier to find than that for a desktop PC. I would expect a lot of work remains to be done before a desktop OS really knows how to much real use of this. It can be treated as a traditional RAM disk but that is just scratching the surface of the potential.
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  • costeakai
    nice dog fight
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  • jasonf2
    In the immediate term Hybridimm will only have server applications. Most (if not all) consumer motherboards and chipsets will top out on addressable memory long before 256 gb. Intels magic here will be that the 200 series chipset coming with kabilake will support xpoint and handle the increased headroom necessary to put nonvoltile on the memory bus. Samsung's move here could lead to some workstation class boards becoming popular in the high end consumer class depending on how expensive xpoint really is (in the short term). At the very least we should see some competition here starting the race to the bottom on the emerging techs. I hope AMD and Zens chip set are taking all of this into account and at least getting ready for the need for a terabyte+ of memory on the Ram bus.
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  • serendipiti
    I don't agree the assumption of endurance coming from using TLC NAND as SLC.
    I suppose the difference between 3D NAND and Z-NAND is that 3D NAND is stacking 2D NAND in multiple layers, while Z NAND takes the 3D concept to the cell itself by changing the doping areas and materials. This way the cell may have less leaks, resulting in a higher endurance, etc...
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  • josejones
    So, when will these new Samsung Z-SSD's come available and for which chipset? The Z-270 or the Z-370 motherboards? Kaby Lake or Cannon Lake? 2017 or 2018?
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  • hannibal
    Well, the point of hybriDimm is that it use old production techniques, so it can be produced with old factories. That seems to prove the point that this is indeed MLC acting in SLC mode. That makes it relatively cheap to produce them, compared X-point that requires own production capasity and technic.
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  • Tykkopoles
    18424801 said:
    I like samsungs' approach with the HybriDIMM alot better than intel's, because intel is in cahoots with microsoft to lock down the system via tech corralling...

    So you approve a technology of one company not because the technology has any merit, but simply because you are throwing a temper-tantrum about that company's competitor. GGWP, mate.

    In adult news, Z-NAND and HybriDIMM are both very cost-effective approach for enterprises to massively overhaul storage and memory solutions. I'm definitely interested to see some non-emulated tests on performance under heavy server workloads. I, for one, am happy that there are multiple companies innovating on volatile and non-volatile options.
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  • computerguy72
    Funny how Samsung had to 'massage' the numbers using the xpoint results adapted to a pcie x4 with standard drivers and then using a emulated 'simulation' to get their own numbers in there. Intel/Micron seem to have a solution that can dramatically outperform anything else. Samsung no doubt hopes to dull the enthusiasm but they will need to do better than this that's for sure.
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