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System Builder Marathon Q2 2014: System Value Compared

System Builder Marathon Q2 2014: System Value Compared
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System Builder Marathon, Q2 2014: The Articles

Here are links to each of the four articles in this quarter’s System Builder Marathon (we’ll update them as each story is published). And remember, these systems are all being given away at the end of the marathon.

To enter the giveaway, please fill out this SurveyGizmo form, and be sure to read the complete rules before entering!

Day 1: The Budget Gaming PC
Day 2: Our Mainstream Enthusiast System
Day 3: The Balanced High-End Build
Day 4: Performance And Value, Dissected

Choosing This Quarter's Winning Build

Paul, Don, and I already talked about the various reasons for this quarter’s budget restructuring in each of our respective stories. But the overall rationale involved a handful of requests from the audience. First, we saw a bunch of messages that Paul should return his budget gaming machine to its origins, “The $500 Gaming PC”. Second, we received a lot of requests to narrow the price range between our top and bottom builds. And third, we wanted to address the critique that our systems can't be compared to off-the-shelf machines because they don't include an operating system.

So Paul jumped back to $500, and then added an operating system. Since Don’s PC always costs twice as much as Paul’s, his sacrifice would be twice as great. Even harsher, my high-end build wouldn’t cost four times as much as Paul’s. It'd get a 3x multiplier instead. If you think a 3x jump is still a huge difference, consider the real-world price differences between entry-level and high-end components. My challenge would be great indeed.

Fortunately, we were all fairly close to that sweet spot in budget-oriented performance hardware right around $800 (give or take a couple hundred dollars). Although that sounds like a fairly large margin for error, the market is constantly changing as new mainstream parts are introduced. Furthermore, not all purchase decisions are made equally. For example, Paul was able to pull a value rabbit out of AMD’s hat with the low-cost Athlon X4 750K. Findings like those are probably why Intel finally caved and released an unlocked dual-core Pentium, which wasn’t available yet when we placed our orders.

Then there was the happy coincidence that the PowerColor graphics cards Don and I bought rose in price a little, but came bundled with a 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO just as our stories were going live. This small miracle addresses the biggest omission from Don's budget-constrained machine and saves me a $150 line item I was already planning to buy. Of course, neither of us gave ourselves credit for the windfall. But hey, as of this writing, the sale is still going on if you want to capitalize.

System Builder Marathon Q2 2014: The Machines
 $600 Gaming PC$1200 Enthusiast PC$1600 Performance PC
ProcessorAMD Athlon X4 750K: 3.4 to 4 GHz, Quad-Core, 4 MB Shared L2 CacheIntel Core i5-4670K: 3.4 to 3.8 GHz, Quad-Core, 6 MB Shared L3 CacheIntel Core i7-4770K: 3.5 to 3.9 GHz, Quad-Core, 8 MB Shared L3 Cache
GraphicsMSI R7 265 2GD5 OC 2 GBPowerColor TurboDuo AXR9 290 4GBD5-TDHE/OC Radeon R9 290PowerColor PCS+ AXR9 290X 4GBD5-PPDHE Radeon R9 290X
MotherboardASRock FM2A75M: Socket FM2+, AMD A75ASRock Z97 Pro3: LGA 1150 Intel Z97 ExpressAsus Z97-A: LGA 1150, Intel Z97 Express
MemoryTeam Group Dark TDBD38G1600HC9DC01: DDR3-1600 C9, 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) Team Group Vulcan TLYD38G1600HC9DC01: DDR3-1600 C9, 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-14900CL8D-8GBXM: DDR3-1866 C8, 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) 
System DriveWD Blue WD10EZEX: 1 TB, 7200 RPM, 64 MB CacheWD Blue WD10EZEX: 1 TB, 7200 RPM, 64 MB CacheSamsung 840 EVO MZ-7TE250BW: 250 GB, SATA 6Gb/s SSD
PowerEVGA 100-W1-0430-KR: 430 W, ATX12V v2.31, 80 PLUSCorsair CX750: 750 W, ATX12V v2.3, 80 PLUS BronzeRosewill HIVE-750: 750 W Semi-Modular, ATX12V v2.3, 80 PLUS Bronze
CPU CoolerAMD Athlon Boxed Fan (included)Cooler Master Hyper 212 PlusThermaltake NiC L32 (CL-P002-AL14RE-A) 140mm 
 Platform Cost $454 $1066 $1362
Storage Drive(Uses System Drive)(Uses System Drive)Western Digital Blue WD10EZEX: 1 TB, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache
OpticalAsus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS: 24x DVD±R, 48x CD-RLG GH24NSB0: 24x DVD±R, 48x CD-RLite-On iHAS124-04: 24x DVD±R, 48x CD-R
CaseRosewill Redbone U3Apevia X-HermesCM Storm Scout 2 Advanced
 Total HW $519 $1146 $1532
OSWindows 8.1 x64 OEMWindows 8.1 x64 OEMWindows 8.1 x64 OEM
 Total Cost $619 $1246 $1632

It's unfortunate that Intel's Devil's Canyon-based CPUs weren't available when we placed our orders back in May. We knew they were being introduced in early June. But they didn't ship out until a couple of days ago. Good thing we didn't wait. On the bright side, though, you can expect at least a couple of us to experiment with Intel's improved Haswell-based, overclocking-friendly models when we place our orders for Q3 here shortly. 

I realize that availability now of Core i5-4690K and Core i7-4790K means some of our readers are going to want to go that route instead. But we take comfort in the knowledge that our own tests reveal a mere 100 MHz overclocking advantage compared to a few of the Core i5-4670K and Core i7-4770K CPUs we’ve already tested.

That was also before I discovered the Core i7-4770K in this quarter's high-end machine is the worst-overclocking -4770K I've ever used, causing me to ponder the possibility of Intel setting aside its best dies for -4790Ks well before those newer processors launched. A complete comparison of overclock settings is found on the next page, so onward we go!

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    TechyInAZ , June 27, 2014 12:28 AM
    It's interesting how the $1200 build actually beats the $1600 build at 1080P. I can see at ultra wide resolutions but it surprises me at 1080P.
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    revanchrist , June 27, 2014 1:10 AM
    Are you sure it's 770 rather than a R7 265 inside that $454 budget build?
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    Herr_Koos , June 27, 2014 1:10 AM
    On page 2 it says you used a GTX770 for the $600 budget build. Surely this is a typo? The GTX770was from last quarter.
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    Crashman , June 27, 2014 1:23 AM
    Quote:
    It's interesting how the $1200 build actually beats the $1600 build at 1080P. I can see at ultra wide resolutions but it surprises me at 1080P.
    I think your expectations are reversed. Most readers expect a higher CPU clock to boost performance at lower resolutions where the graphics card isn't stressed, and to have little effect at triple monitor resolutions where the GPU limits the frame rate.
    Quote:
    On page 2 it says you used a GTX770 for the $600 budget build. Surely this is a typo? The GTX770was from last quarter.
    Thanks, fixed!
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    de5_Roy , June 27, 2014 2:20 AM
    awesome sbm, awesome articles, all of them. awesome job, guys. this quarter's was a lot of fun. no shortage of interesting stuff, excitement. or drama, lol.
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    abbadon_34 , June 27, 2014 2:56 AM
    should give the winner his choice of $100 cash or OS
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    envy14tpe , June 27, 2014 4:51 AM
    One thing I notice is that overclocking, even with $30 coolers, seems to give an overall boost in performance of 10%. Not too shabby.
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    Crashman , June 27, 2014 6:37 AM
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    should give the winner his choice of $100 cash or OS
    Do you think any of us wants to buy your prize? If we didn't ourselves pay for these OS's, what makes you think we would pay for these OSs?

    I got my two licenses for like, $20. Though I probably couldn't get any more like that, I don't need any more at the moment, thanks. If you don't want the OS, and you win my PC, just tell me and I'll keep it. Thanks!

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    firefoxx04 , June 27, 2014 7:41 AM
    The mid range beating the high end in 1080p make sense considering it had a higher cpu clock and only 2-4 threads utilized most likely. I'm sure both gpu were in the 50-70% range
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    Onus , June 27, 2014 8:26 AM
    Ok, with the final article, time to enter the contest!
    Disposition should I be a fortunate winner:
    1. Having not messed with a "new" Athlon, I might put a 92mm cooler on it and see what I can get out of it for a week or three. I'd almost certainly contribute a SSD to it, then most likely donate it to a startup I know of that actually is more in need of office-type PCs (but they do play some games).
    2. If the motherboard were micro-ATX, I'd probably use most of these parts to upgrade / replace my Phoenix PC, as they represent a platform upgrade. It would be a substantial upgrade to my Omega PC, but I like the idea of maintaining that AM3+ system due to the overall quality of the parts in it. If the Apevia case surprises me due to its quality, I may use it anyway. One way or another, this would lead to another complete system donation though.
    3. The parts in this one appear to be of sufficient quality / durability that I would probably end up forsaking the Omega PC for this one. I'd put its 990FX onto my test bench though to keep it around, and donate that one (MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming) as above.
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    Patrick Tobin , June 27, 2014 9:50 AM
    Too bad the article wasn't done just a little later so they could put in a 4790K :( 
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    dgingeri , June 27, 2014 3:15 PM
    I find it quite funny that clock for clock and core for core, the Intel architecture is between 3 and 4 times as fast as the AMD architecture. AMD really needs to step up their game, badly.
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    Crashman , June 27, 2014 3:37 PM
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    Too bad the article wasn't done just a little later so they could put in a 4790K :( 
    You do realize that you get a new one in September, right?

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    Amdlova , June 27, 2014 9:26 PM
    why we not have a mini itx config with 1600 bucks ? 4770k arock z97 itx noctua d14 bitfenix prodigy and a nice and heavy gtx 780ti. maybe a raid 0 samsung pro with 4 tb storage ? i think will be better than this one.
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    allanitomwesh , June 28, 2014 6:02 AM
    Get's real hard to justify $2000 plus worth of hardware unless you'll actually do some powerful stuff with the rig. Go go budget rig,liked it from the start.
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    Duckhunt , June 28, 2014 8:51 AM
    I really appreciate the article using AMD. I ought to go the AMD route for a NAS.
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    Duckhunt , June 28, 2014 9:03 AM
    I wish they talked more the RAM prolonging the live of the SSD.

    Id also want system build for NAS and UPS and things. If you want to put your swap file in your memory. Get a UPS and link it so if the power fails you computer will shut down correctly. I wish they would of put that in this article.
    Power outage is a b+ch. I have not done this but i wish there would be an article on UPS's that work well and turn off everything orderly.

    It would be good if we had load shedding and other particulars to make the reliability higher. Id like a solar system with load shedding :p . So much fanciful thinking.
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    Duckhunt , June 28, 2014 9:04 AM
    I wish they talked more the RAM prolonging the life of the SSD.
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    SirTrollsALot , June 28, 2014 2:37 PM
    Forum Hijack Alert!!!
    I really wish they make more articles on upgrades or recycling, that would coexist with these new builds. I believe most Tom viewers, correct me if I am wrong, are not new to computers. For instance, I had an aging OC'd i7930 x58 with triple channel memory, the mobo died after many years, but tracking down a x58 board new is impossible today. So I had about $300 at the time to spend on a new CPU/MOBO (Im saving up for X99 btw) and wanted to use my old DDR3 1600 memory, SSD , HD, video card, and case.... Now what would be a good recommendation for that scenario? I went the following specs on my signature... $270 + about $30 shipping to Hawaii... :|
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    chucklepard , June 30, 2014 11:14 AM
    I always love the System Builder Marathons, as they are targeted exactly to me and my price/performance/usage model. Have you ever considered occasionally including other types of builds? Such as the "My parent/sibling/spouse/friend" has asked me to build the cheapest basic web-surfing/music/photo uploading build I can make them. What's the lowest-cost, stable-running CPU/MB/RAM/SD/Optical/PS/Case actually worth using? Or ""I need to run virtual machines with Linux/XP/8.1 simultaneously. What are the best virtualizing MB/CPUs/HDs at specific prices points?" Your focus on gaming is admired and appreciated and is definitely the right approach for the average reader's personal use. However, the components you research are the ones I suspect most of us (and perhaps most of you) enjoy researching, and saving us research time on other component and system types would free up more time to build and use the personal builds you help us identify!
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