Chinese victims of convicted 'Bitcoin Queen' may have trouble getting their $7.3 billion back from UK government — lawyers predict a lengthy cross-border ordeal for 130,000 investment scheme victims

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The seizure of $7.3 billion in bitcoin from Chinese "Bitcoin Queen" Qian Zhimin by the UK's Metropolitan Police set the record for the largest cryptocurrency seizure ever recorded. However, the 130,000 Chinese victims of Qian's scams may face difficulties attempting to recover their stolen funds from the UK government, claims Nikkei Asia.

When Qian pled guilty to criminal charges of illegally acquiring and possessing the cryptocurrency in September, the UK government seized all 61,000 bitcoins from the accused con artist. However, due to a variety of messy complications, the hundreds of thousands of victims of Qian's schemes will face an uphill battle in getting their full stolen funds returned to them in China, not least because the UK government may reportedly desire to keep hold of the funds for itself.

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  • thisisaname
    Rather bad for the UK government to try and steal the stolen funds.
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  • Moonstick2
    This isn't a case of "Chinese victims handed over N Bitcoins to fraudster, N bitcoin seized, why not give N Bitcoins back?"

    As far as I can gather, Qian defrauded the victims of $850m over 2014-2017 in a Ponzi scheme that involved "investment products" (the victims did not hand over Bitcoin nor believe they were investing in it). After that finished she began laundering most of the money into Bitcoin. In 2018 the police arrested Qian and seized 61,000 Bitcoin, worth ~ $825m back then. The remaining $25m was laundered into property, cash, gold and other cryptocurrency.

    Courts normally focus on giving victims back the money they were defrauded of (principal) plus reasonable interest. Only here those 61,000 Bitcoin are now worth $6.8b and the lawyers want a piece of that.

    Thing is, it's far from straightforward. They have to argue the principles...

    (If you hand $1000 to a fraudster for a financial investment, they instead go and bet the money on red and it comes up red, is the $2000 legally yours? If so then if it came up black are you now legally owed nothing?)

    If they get the court to agree the principles then they then have to argue ownership...

    (I give the fraudster $500 and you give them $1000 to invest and instead they go to the roulette and put $1000 on black and win and then $500 on red and lose. Do you get $2000 and I get $0? Or was $250 of the bet on black mine? In the actual situation, what if a victim's money went into a bank account whose funds only went into gold and never went near Bitcoin? Why should they get the x8 return that others would be getting? What if instead of gold it went into NFTs so now others get x8 return while they get nothing?)

    If they get the court to agree ownership, there's getting the money into actual currency...

    (How long should this take? Too quickly and the value of Bitcoin falls. Who gets their money first? What if takes so long that bitcoin drops in value so the later people lose out? Does everyone have to wait until all the Bitcoin is sold? As the victims have now effectively earned money is it subject to tax?)

    It's going to take years because the lawyers sniff a chance of a chunk of $7 billion instead of an eighth of that.
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