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Best PCIe Card: $360 And Up

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1:00 AM - 03/17/2009 by Don Woligroski

With exponentially increasing prices over $340 offering smaller and smaller performance boosts, we have a hard time recommending anything more expensive than two Radeon HD 4870 512 MB cards in CrossFire. While the Radeon HD 4870 X2 and the GeForce GTX 295 perform impressively in multiple-card configurations, there’s just not enough of a gain compared to two Radeon HD 4870 512 MB cards, unless you play at resolutions beyond 1920x1200.

Then again, while we often recommend against purchasing any graphics card that retails for more than $340 from a value point of view, there are those of you for whom money might not be much of an object, who can afford a 30” LCD monitor, and who require the best possible performance money can buy. For those of you, we recommend the following cards:

Best PCIe Card For ~$360: Tie

Exceptional 1920x1200 performance in most games, 2560x1600 in most titles (some with lowered detail)

Two Radeon HD 4870 1 GB in CrossFire Configuration or Radeon HD 4870 X2
Codename: 2 x RV770
Process: 55 nm
Universal Shaders: 1,600 (2 x 800)
Texture Units: 80 (2 x 40)
ROPs: 32 (2 x 16)
Memory Bus: 256-bit
Core Speed MHz: 750
Memory Speed MHz: 900 (3,600 effective)
DirectX/Shader Model: DX 10.1/SM 4.1

While it has been deposed by the new GeForce GTX 295, the former king isn't quite dead—it's just a lot cheaper. With the introduction of the GeForce GTX 295, the Radeon HD 4870 X2 has taken a massive $100 price reduction. Indeed, two Radeon HD 4870 1 GB cards are almost exactly the same price, so both options get our recommendation. The extra RAM compared to two Radeon HD 4870 512 MB cards can help performance in certain games, resolutions, and image-quality settings.

Two GeForce GTX 260 (Core 216) cards in SLI Configuration
Codename: 2 x GT200
Process: 65 nm
Universal Shaders: 432 (2 x 216)
Texture Units: 144 (2 x 72)
ROPs: 56 (2 x 28)
Memory Bus: 448-bit
Core Speed MHz: 576
Memory Speed MHz: 999 (1,998 effective)
DirectX/Shader Model: DX 10/SM 4.0

As we noted with the single-card recommendations, two GeForce GTX 260 cards in SLI offer advantages in titles that run better with the GeForce GT200 architecture. If you have an SLI motherboard, the decision becomes a no-brainer as two GeForce GTX 260 cards are a serious force to reckon with. As with the single cards, we recommend the newer core 216 versions due to the similar price and enhanced performance.

Best PCIe Card For ~$500:

Exceptional 1920x1200 performance in most games, 2560x1600 in most titles (some with lowered detail)

GeForce GTX 295
Codename: 2 x GT200b
Process: 55 nm
Universal Shaders: 480 (2 x 240)
Texture Units: 160 (2 x 80)
ROPs: 56 (2 x 28)
Memory Bus: 448-bit
Core Speed MHz: 576
Memory Speed MHz: 999 (1,998 effective)
DirectX/Shader Model: DX 10/SM 4.0

Nvidia's GeForce GTX 295 sporting SLI-on-a-card is the most powerful single graphics card on the planet. Essentially two attached GeForce GTX 280 cards that have been merged, underclocked, and stripped of a few ROPs, the GeForce GTX 295 offers very notable gains over the Radeon HD 4870 X2 in the great majority of game titles. Even more impressive is that it does so while consuming less power than AMD's flagship does, which is no small feat.

If you want the best of the best, this is the card to get. The only way to get more performance is perhaps to triple-SLI some GeForce GTX 285s or quad-CrossFire two Radeon HD 4870 X2s, but unless you have a 30" monitor, that would likely be a gratuitous waste of money.

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seboj 03/17/2009 7:38 AM
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Proximon 03/17/2009 7:45 AM
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Good deal. Small correction, you say while recommending 4870 512MB CF "The Radeon HD 4870 512 MB card cinched the $165 recommendation..." However you never recommended the 4870 512MB, opting to recommend the slightly more expensive 1GB version instead. (Which we all agree is the better single card deal.)
I've seen some bad comments on the 4850X2 recently on other sites, complaints about performance from various reviewers. I know nothing for sure, but it makes me a bit nervous about the card.

cangelini 03/17/2009 9:31 AM
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Proximon :
Good deal. Small correction, you say while recommending 4870 512MB CF "The Radeon HD 4870 512 MB card cinched the $165 recommendation..." However you never recommended the 4870 512MB, opting to recommend the slightly more expensive 1GB version instead. (Which we all agree is the better single card deal.)I've seen some bad comments on the 4850X2 recently on other sites, complaints about performance from various reviewers. I know nothing for sure, but it makes me a bit nervous about the card.



Thanks Prox. I just re-worded this a little bit for Don. He made a couple of last-minute changes to reflect price adjustments that happened in the last day. Thus, the 512MB card dropped off the list as a single-card solution.

rags_20 03/17/2009 10:02 AM
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Why does the GTX 260 core 216 have 192 shader units? And why 65nm? 55nm version has been released.

cangelini 03/17/2009 10:20 AM
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Ah ha, but you didn't catch the 64 texture units! =)

Kidding, that table has been fixed as well.

eddieroolz 03/17/2009 11:38 AM
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Just got myself a new XFX GTS 250, along with a Corsair VX550W PSU.

Upgrading from a 8500GT, the leap is huge. It can run every single game except Crysis on max details! It was really worth the price, and it competes well against the 4850.

Too bad in Canada I had to pay nearly $200 after tax.

superhighperf 03/17/2009 12:14 PM
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what happened to the supposed price drop for the ati 4870? when is that going to happen?

nerrawg 03/17/2009 12:22 PM
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Good article guys, as for the price drop superhighperf, THG did a news flash on it recently and looks like it might not happen: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/A [...] ,7252.html , or it might just be in the form of mail-in-rebates. I am curious about this possible new RV740, it might not increase performance over lower end R770's, but will it be much more power efficient I wonder? Maybe R740 CF will cost less at the wall then a single big GPU like the GTX285?

JeanLuc 03/17/2009 12:39 PM
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I don't get it. You recommend the HD4870 1Gb for a single card (which I understand and agree with) but you recommend 2x HD4870 512Mb for Crossfire.

I was under the impression that in a crossfire configuration a game would only be able to address half the available vram. Has this changed with the latest Crossfire technology because only having 512MB available for such a setup would badly bottleneck performance when running games at 2560x1600?

LightWeightX 03/17/2009 1:38 PM
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Thanks for the article. You list the Radeon HD 4670 at about $70 however in doing some general checking the average price for the 512 MB model is $82 and $96 for the 1 GB model.

LightWeightX 03/17/2009 1:40 PM
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Actually the Radeon HD 4670 1 GB average price is more like $106.

thedipper 03/17/2009 2:10 PM
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Newegg has a 3850 up for $54.99, it's in the St. Patrick's special email.

Cleeve 03/17/2009 3:34 PM
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JeanLuc :
I don't get it. You recommend the HD4870 1Gb for a single card (which I understand and agree with) but you recommend 2x HD4870 512Mb for Crossfire. I was under the impression that in a crossfire configuration a game would only be able to address half the available vram. Has this changed with the latest Crossfire technology because only having 512MB available for such a setup would badly bottleneck performance when running games at 2560x1600?



I kept the 512MB 4870 because with two cards there's a $30 price spread between two 4870 1GB cards, instead of a $15 price spread as there is with a single card.

Yes, with CrossFire I believe each card can only address it's own vram. But really, two 512MB 4870's are still going to deliver a heck of a lot of performance and you won;t notice the vram deficit except in extreme situations or with specific titles that are graphics ram dependant.

Cleeve 03/17/2009 3:35 PM
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LightWeightX :
Actually the Radeon HD 4670 1 GB average price is more like $106.



We look to the bottom end of pricing becauswe that's what we're recommending. We don't recommend spending more.

Cleeve 03/17/2009 3:38 PM
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nerrawg :
I am curious about this possible new RV740, it might not increase performance over lower end R770's, but will it be much more power efficient I wonder? Maybe R740 CF will cost less at the wall then a single big GPU like the GTX285?



THe RV740 looks to perform similarly compared to a Radeon HD 4850, so two of them will likely perform like a 4850 X2 and will likely give the 285 a serious run for it's money. Of course nothin'g official yet but that's the buzz.

Inneandar 03/17/2009 3:40 PM
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@ cleeve: quite a moot point to my opinion. if you care for dual card setups, you spend the extra 30$ because you want performance at higher resolutions. Making yourself memory-constrained for saving less than 10% of your budget is quite silly imho.

Inneandar 03/17/2009 3:50 PM
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small adittion: post above in answer to the first cleeve post.

Also, for single card you recommend the gtx 260 core 216, while in the sli setup you say: we recommend the older (192) card for being cheaper, same as for single card...

Is there actually a paid editor at Toms, or is that too expensive (just as an edit button to avoid double (triple!) posts)

Cleeve 03/17/2009 4:04 PM
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Inneandar :
Is there actually a paid editor at Toms, or is that too expensive (just as an edit button to avoid double (triple!) posts)



Ouch! Well, it's all my fault for making some last-minute edits to keep the article current and *clearly* not being diligent enough in the cascading consequences of my changes.

When I wrote the article, the GTX 260 Core 192 was WAYYY cheaper than the Core 216, and the cheapest 4870 I could find was $200 making it difficult to recommend the 4870 1GB.

I will say I do disagree with you as to your dismissal of the 512MB 4870. In real world situations that extra RAM in the 1GB version doesn't make nearly the diffrence you're implying it does. At $30 cheaper for two, it's a viable option for sure.

I will look for more flubs though, and thanks for pointing that one out about the Core 192 card.


raclimja 03/17/2009 6:03 PM
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Cleeve :
Ouch! Well, it's all my fault for making some last-minute edits to keep the article current and *clearly* not being diligent enough in the cascading consequences of my changes.When I wrote the article, the GTX 260 Core 192 was WAYYY cheaper than the Core 216, and the cheapest 4870 I could find was $200 making it difficult to recommend the 4870 1GB.I will say I do disagree with you as to your dismissal of the 512MB 4870. In real world situations that extra RAM in the 1GB version doesn't make nearly the diffrence you're implying it does. At $30 cheaper for two, it's a viable option for sure.I will look for more flubs though, and thanks for pointing that one out about the Core 192 card.





try to play gta iv with 4870 512MB in crossfire and tell me if it doesnt make any difference with the 4870 1gb in crossfire ^_^

hellwig 03/17/2009 6:08 PM
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Article :
Best PCIe Card For ~$260 : Radeon HD 4850 X2
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The Radeon HD 4850 X2 is essentially two Radeon HD 4850s in CrossFire mode on a single card, and it will beat the similarly priced GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 and more expensive GeForce GTX 280 hands down. It will even put the hurt on the new, more expensive GeForce GTX 285.

We're still quite pleased that the Radeon HD 4850 X2 can now be found on Newegg for $260. At this price, it's still cheaper than two Radeon HD 4850 cards which, at $145 each, didn't make the recommended list this month. But buying the Radeon HD 4850 X2 is the same as buying two Radeon HD 4850s for $130 each, and that's a lot of performance for the admission price.



The GTX 260 is cheaper than the 4850X2, and was even recommended at the lower price-point.

I don't get how the 4850X2 can be both cheaper and the same price as two 4850's. Plus the 4850 DID make the recommendation list this month. I think you forgot to delete one of those two sentances.

Sorry, I don't normally critique the writing here, but I got to that section and had to scratch my head.


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